Tuning JANNETTY RACING built Transformers for C-16

[JANNETTYRACING]

We have the JRE built Transformers car here for some more updates and tuning and decided it was time to move to a different fuel so we switched to C-16 from the MS-109

The results were Pretty impressive we picked up 105 RWHP.

This is a LPE 427 with JRE Cam 2 inch headers YSI supercharger ID-1000 injectors and an ATI Powerglide Transmission at 20 PSI boost.

Previously 1017 RWHP with a Manual Trans

Then 901 RWHP With the switch to the Powerglide ( autos without Lock up converter always show lower Power on the chassis dyno)

With the C-16 in the tank and a few strokes of the key board we are happy to report 1006 RWHP.

[VanquisherSS]

Boost only? What about on spray with the direct port?

[Boost6924]

Originally Posted by JANNETTYRACING

We have the JRE built Transformers car here for some more updates and tuning and decided it was time to move to a different fuel so we switched to C-16 from the MS-109

The results were Pretty impressive we picked up 105 RWHP.

This is a LPE 427 with JRE Cam 2 inch headers YSI supercharger ID-1000 injectors and an ATI Powerglide Transmission at 20 PSI boost.

Previously 1017 RWHP with a Manual Trans

Then 901 RWHP With the switch to the Powerglide ( autos always show lower
Power on the chassis dyno)

With the C-16 in the tank and a few strokes of the key board we are happy to report 1006 RWHP.

Very nice. May I ask what fuel system is in the car? I made 1100+ with MS-109 and ID 1000's @ 19psi, but after all bugs sorted out, my Aeromotive in tank pump is plain out of volume, fuel pressure is dropping on high loads.

Thanks for sharing quality comparison between the fuels.

[ayousef]

Originally Posted by Boost6924

Very nice. May I ask what fuel system is in the car? I made 1100+ with MS-109 and ID 1000's @ 19psi, but after all bugs sorted out, my Aeromotive in tank pump is plain out of volume, fuel pressure is dropping on high loads.

Thanks for sharing quality comparison between the fuels.

how much pressure are you loosing? no harm if you aren't loosing way too much pressure though. My car makes 21.5psi here in cold Dubai, on 93 octane pump gas, how? Static and Dynamic compression ratio, well and probably a missing link which I haven't figured out yet

[Boost6924]

Originally Posted by ayousef

how much pressure are you loosing? no harm if you aren't loosing way too much pressure though. My car makes 21.5psi here in cold Dubai, on 93 octane pump gas, how? Static and Dynamic compression ratio, well and probably a missing link which I haven't figured out yet

It's loosing 15 psi at the top (above 6000rpm) of the pull on 4th gear.

[headless camaro]

the transformers banana?

[JANNETTYRACING]

Originally Posted by VanquisherSS

Boost only? What about on spray with the direct port?

Just Boost, The dyno rollers are too slippery to measure the power with the Spay, I made a few hits on Sat and blew the slicks away.

My Dyno is now over 10 years old and the Knurl has worn Smooth.

I Am having Carbonite come in next Tuesday to Coat the Rollers to eliminate this issue.

Originally Posted by Boost6924

Very nice. May I ask what fuel system is in the car? I made 1100+ with MS-109 and ID 1000's @ 19psi, but after all bugs sorted out, my Aeromotive in tank pump is plain out of volume, fuel pressure is dropping on high loads.

Thanks for sharing quality comparison between the fuels.

This is one of the Few Fore Triple pump systems that were made along with a Custom ADM Triple MSD Voltage booster set up Andy made for us.

Originally Posted by headless camaro

the transformers banana?

Nuclear Banana.

[Crawler]

I've almost always steered clear of oxiginated fuels on boost applications. Only exception being if I've run out of blower due to it being way undersized.

Always been a fan of high octane in race applications with spray or boost. MS-109's only place in my mind is in a non power adder application.

Way too big of a likelihood of melting something. Maybe its just my tuning abilities.

You have way more experience here than I do. Will you share your experiences with oxiginated fuels in big power adder applications?

[TROndrey]

Originally Posted by JANNETTYRACING

Nuclear Banana.

GO BANANA GO!!!

[JANNETTYRACING]

Originally Posted by Crawler

I've almost always steered clear of oxiginated fuels on boost applications. Only exception being if I've run out of blower due to it being way undersized.

Always been a fan of high octane in race applications with spray or boost. MS-109's only place in my mind is in a non power adder application.

Way too big of a likelihood of melting something. Maybe its just my tuning abilities.

You have way more experience here than I do. Will you share your experiences with oxiginated fuels in big power adder applications?

We use oxygenated fuels for More Power over pump gas, and keep Oxygen sensors Happy, but anytime we are looking for more power there is more risk.

We do have to run them a 4-6% richer that we normally would.

For example we ran 10.4:1 with Oxygenated fuel and we run 11.5:1 on C-16 same set up.

Ted.

[Crawler]

Originally Posted by JANNETTYRACING

We use oxygenated fuels for More Power over pump gas, and keep Oxygen sensors Happy, but anytime we are looking for more power there is more risk.

We do have to run them a 4-6% richer that we normally would.

For example we ran 10.4:1 with Oxygenated fuel and we run 11.5:1 on C-16 same set up.

Ted.

That follows what I've seen for a safety net. It just always left so much HP on the table.

[JANNETTYRACING]

Originally Posted by Crawler

That follows what I've seen for a safety net. It just always left so much HP on the table.

It really has more to do with the Stoich value 13.4 for VPms109 14.777 for C-16

Ted.

[white ZL1]

So there's no difference. Appx .78 lambda on both fuels.

[Rdunn]

Oxygenated fuels are perfect for boost. we see on average about 100+ whp gains going from C-16 to the oxygenated Q-16.

the only time you want to stay away from the oxygenated fuels is running a nitrous application. then you would want to lean more towards C-16,C-23 or VPNOS (designed just for big nitrous applications)

Rdunn
VP Fuels Dealer