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broncos24-7 · 10-28-2016, 11:08 AM

I am debating on buying a 2013 ZL1 or 2017 ZL1.
I like how the newer Camaros look in the inside better, but something about the 2013 still calls my name on the outside.
I LOVE the way the both look, but a used one is more in my price range.
so just debating on if the horsepower is much of a difference compared to the price.

JANNETTYRACING · 10-28-2016, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by broncos24-7

I am debating on buying a 2013 ZL1 or 2017 ZL1.
I like how the newer Camaros look in the inside better, but something about the 2013 still calls my name on the outside.
I LOVE the way the both look, but a used one is more in my price range.
so just debating on if the horsepower is much of a difference compared to the price.

580 vs 650

But with a few simple bolt ons (JRE 125 RWHP upgrade) I am at 700

rvnmaniac · 10-28-2016, 11:18 AM

580 HP

556 Torque

broncos24-7 · 10-28-2016, 11:24 AM

thanks, I trying to figure if I should pay for add on's or just but the new one.
I would like to be around 700, that is awesome.
living in western Ks. not many options for tune shops. I have to drive about 4 hours to have anything done if I do it.

Can'tHave2MuchHP · 10-28-2016, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by broncos24-7

thanks, I trying to figure if I should pay for add on's or just but the new one.

If money is no issue, get the new ZL1. No offense to any owners here of 5th Gen's (Such as myself), but the new ZL1 is bound to be a whole lot better in many ways.

If money is a problem, then you can get the 5th Gen ZL1 and put a few grand of nice modifications.

JANNETTYRACING · 10-28-2016, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by broncos24-7

thanks, I trying to figure if I should pay for add on's or just but the new one.
I would like to be around 700, that is awesome.
living in western Ks. not many options for tune shops. I have to drive about 4 hours to have anything done if I do it.

No sir I ship the parts to your door along with the tuning, True Plug and play power solutions.

Ted.

HDRDTD · 10-28-2016, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by rvnmaniac

580 HP

556 Torque

Note: just for reference, these are the numbers at the engine, NOT at the rear wheels.

Typical RWHP for a manual trans, should be in the 490-495 RWHP range with an auto coming in at a bit less due to more drivetrain loss.

DeSH · 10-28-2016, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by HDRDTD

Note: just for reference, these are the numbers at the engine, NOT at the rear wheels.

Typical RWHP for a manual trans, should be in the 490-495 RWHP range with an auto coming in at a bit less due to more drivetrain loss.

Same driveline losses will apply to the '17 ZL1, so as long as you compare flywheel vs flywheel or rwhp vs rwhp, it's an apples to apples comparison.

STUNNAH · 10-28-2016, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by HDRDTD

Note: just for reference, these are the numbers at the engine, NOT at the rear wheels.

Typical RWHP for a manual trans, should be in the 490-495 RWHP range with an auto coming in at a bit less due to more drivetrain loss.

I can't wait for the 17's to hit the street...$62k plus getting their asses pulled by slightly modded Gen 5's...

the Gen 5!!!

Can'tHave2MuchHP · 10-28-2016, 10:22 PM

6th Gens are quite a bit lighter, about 300 pounds I believe. (4100ish vs. 3760ish)

650 Crank HP, around 560-570 WHP for the 6th plus a few hundred pound weigh advantage

580 Crank HP, around 480-490 WHP for most 5th ZL1s

First of all the comparison of a stock car vs a modded car is kind of unfair, sure the modded car may be faster, but...it's still modded vs stock.

But if you don't care about the unfairness...a 5th Gen ZL1 will likely need 580-600 WHP and a driver mod, if it's the M6, to keep up and beat a 6th ZL1.

blk 2013 · 10-28-2016, 10:31 PM

when the 10 speed autos be come available it will be a whole new game. I'll bet it will take more than 700hp in a gen5 to take down one of these

STUNNAH · 10-28-2016, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Can'tHave2MuchHP

6th Gens are quite a bit lighter, about 300 pounds I believe. (4100ish vs. 3760ish)

650 Crank HP, around 560-570 WHP for the 6th plus a few hundred pound weigh advantage

580 Crank HP, around 480-490 WHP for most 5th ZL1s

First of all the comparison of a stock car vs a modded car is kind of unfair, sure the modded car may be faster, but...it's still modded vs stock.

But if you don't care about the unfairness...a 5th Gen ZL1 will likely need 580-600 WHP and a driver mod, if it's the M6, to keep up and beat a 6th ZL1.

You may be giving the 6 Gen a generous rwhp number...All I'm saying is that the 6 Gen is getting all the props right now, and most people that buy them will not know of the true rwhp, they'll be going strictly off the crank numbers and will be scratching their ass when and old slightly modded 5 Gen walks away

...Fairness is not an option in the "Art of War"...lol

STUNNAH · 10-28-2016, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by blk 2013

when the 10 speed autos be come available it will be a whole new game. I'll bet it will take more than 700hp in a gen5 to take down one of these

You've had

one to many...lol

SlingShot · 10-28-2016, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by blk 2013

when the 10 speed autos be come available it will be a whole new game. I'll bet it will take more than 700hp in a gen5 to take down one of these

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Originally Posted by STUNNAH

You've had

one to many...lol

No he's right, I'm sure he was talking about crank HP. It will take more than 700 crank HP to overcome the weight and the 10 speed.

10-28-2016, 11:08 AM	#1
broncos24-7 Drives: surburban Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: G.C. Kansas Posts: 41	what is the STOCK H/P and torque on a ZL1 I am debating on buying a 2013 ZL1 or 2017 ZL1. I like how the newer Camaros look in the inside better, but something about the 2013 still calls my name on the outside. I LOVE the way the both look, but a used one is more in my price range. so just debating on if the horsepower is much of a difference compared to the price.

10-28-2016, 11:18 AM	#3
rvnmaniac Drives: 2012 M6 ZL1. 2019 Altima.07 FJR1300 Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: MD Posts: 665	580 HP 556 Torque __________________

10-28-2016, 11:24 AM	#4
broncos24-7 Drives: surburban Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: G.C. Kansas Posts: 41	thanks, I trying to figure if I should pay for add on's or just but the new one. I would like to be around 700, that is awesome. living in western Ks. not many options for tune shops. I have to drive about 4 hours to have anything done if I do it.

10-28-2016, 10:22 PM	#10
Can'tHave2MuchHP Drives: Fast Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Michigan Posts: 3,696	6th Gens are quite a bit lighter, about 300 pounds I believe. (4100ish vs. 3760ish) 650 Crank HP, around 560-570 WHP for the 6th plus a few hundred pound weigh advantage 580 Crank HP, around 480-490 WHP for most 5th ZL1s First of all the comparison of a stock car vs a modded car is kind of unfair, sure the modded car may be faster, but...it's still modded vs stock. But if you don't care about the unfairness...a 5th Gen ZL1 will likely need 580-600 WHP and a driver mod, if it's the M6, to keep up and beat a 6th ZL1.

10-28-2016, 10:31 PM	#11
blk 2013 Drives: 2017 SS 6sp Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Carrollton texas Posts: 323	when the 10 speed autos be come available it will be a whole new game. I'll bet it will take more than 700hp in a gen5 to take down one of these