06-14-2012, 11:37 AM | #15 |
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eff Mercedes. you'll win in every department
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06-14-2012, 02:27 PM | #16 |
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Are the brake calipers red and is that a carbon fiber lip on the trunk? It sort of looks like it, but If yes to both questions, then yes it's the P31 development package. More horsepower (481 vs. 451 hp), higher speed limiter (174 vs. 155 mph) , better brakes, better suspension & crappy tires.
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06-15-2012, 08:28 AM | #17 |
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i never seen a stock zl1 run before. i seen one run with slicks and skinnies and he ran a 11.4. i seen a stock c coupe amg hit 11.9 a 12.0 and a 12.1 on the same day. i prefer real life testing not what the mags can do
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06-15-2012, 09:37 AM | #18 |
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The new c63 black series handles like a wet noodle but in a straight line it will rape a ZL1. Reverse the order for a road circuit.
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06-19-2012, 08:01 AM | #19 | |
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I have a dream that some day somebody will build a temperature/humidity controlled 1/4 mile drag strip at sea level to settle these debates!!!
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06-19-2012, 12:43 PM | #20 |
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problem with this stuff is they just need to race. when one car runs 12.2 in a magazine and another car runs 12.3 those two car when actually raced will most likely go back and forth.
In real life a slower car can win a race. get a better holeshot, other driver is not capable of producing the cars potential, etc etc. there is a video on here of a 6 seed car being short shifted running a 12.02 that guy driving I say the amg loses. on the flip side I have seen people hitting the limiter running 12.5-12.8 then the amg is going to win. bottom line if you are currious you actually have to race to find out.
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06-19-2012, 01:04 PM | #21 |
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Well, I can tell you for certain that your ZL1 will win in the looks contest every single time!
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06-19-2012, 09:14 PM | #22 |
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06-19-2012, 09:18 PM | #23 |
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Id take that car over mine or a Camaro any day.
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06-19-2012, 09:29 PM | #24 |
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I raced a 451hp sedan and it was a drivers race, we traded wins.
I hope that the ZL1 would smoke a coupe 481hp
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08-02-2012, 11:25 AM | #25 |
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C63
I just picked up a C63 Coupe so it has the MCT tranny I really wanted but only about 100 pounds in weight loss due to the nice panaramic sunroof which I hope is more reliable then my last one.
The biggest fun factor for me, is the wife is happy being a badge fan, and I have a fun car to drive with a drivetrain I respect. My wife did like the Camaro, but for me not her and I wasn't going to buy two of these things lol I also like the Boss 302, but not the GT500 so much. The rear suspension on the G8/Camaro does make a huge difference when driving over curvy roads with bumps, slopes etc. I'm also not sure I believe it yet, but the tune only and tune plus bolt-on only power seems crazy. I thought my G8 was insane when a tune and bolt-ons got you more than 40 to the wheels, but a stock C63 gains at least that much with no bolt-ons and a soft tune with some tuners claiming 70+ horsepower to the wheels for a 1,400 dollar tune (http://www.modernhorsepower.com/). For my situation, I don't plan on doing cams, head work etc. which gets you a lot of horsepower out of a LXX motor, so the tune/bolt-on gains are nice with this thing. But as has been mentioned in other threads, gotta have overall fun with the car and I prefer this N/A monster over the much faster new twin turbo motors Mercedes is deploying, they sound like messed up whoopy cushions when they take off on you lol. Last edited by flomofo; 08-02-2012 at 11:45 AM. |
08-02-2012, 11:43 AM | #26 |
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And not much difference on the track between a PP car and non PP car, the bigger difference is in the tune if it is agressive.
Also theres probably a bigger difference between a 2012 coupe and a 2008 sedan in suspension/handling then a 2012 PP and non-PP car. Biggest difference here again would come after purchase when you put suitably sized tires on the rear. My G8 stock rears were almost this wide. |
08-02-2012, 01:31 PM | #27 |
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Last car to have gains like that was the e55. I'll go on record and call on that shop. I read their s85(V10 M5) tuning setup...unless you really hate your car, run don't walk.
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08-02-2012, 03:49 PM | #28 |
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LAST TIME I CHECKED MERCEDES ONLY MAKES AUTOMATICS...I HAVE BEEN IN SEVERAL AMGs ALSO...
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