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BLACK10 · 07-25-2013, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by realcanuk

I don't agree with this. Adding the second nozzle later, if needed is simple and very inexpensive. If you have too much nozzle, and run the gain control too low, you will have issues.
Its your car and money, so I'll repeat, call Julio. Get the answers from the experts, when ever possible.

i was just going off of the dozens and dozens of alky systems i have installed and we have tuned here at Lethal.

realcanuk · 07-25-2013, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by BLACK10

i was just going off of the dozens and dozens of alky systems i have installed and we have tuned here at Lethal.

I didn't meant to upset you and I know you know your stuff.

I just know that at 550hp, a dual nozzle is overkill and I personally know of cases where running the gain too low (under 4 if I recall) can cause problems with the system.

BLACK10 · 07-25-2013, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by realcanuk

I didn't meant to upset you and I know you know your stuff.

I just know that at 550hp, a dual nozzle is overkill and I personally know of cases where running the gain too low (under 4 if I recall) can cause problems with the system.

nah, its not like that.

what i meant is that when we did do one nozzle installs it always turned out that the customer came back later for more hp or, the one nozzle didnt drop the iat's down enough to help out the pulling of timing.

Birm · 07-25-2013, 01:51 PM

Alkycontrol for the win. single nozzle will be more then enough for your setup but as Black10 said, a dual while you're in there is worth it since no one ever has enough power. As long as you keep the gain at the appropriate level and the tune is $$$$ you will not have any problems.

Let me know if I can help you in anyway in getting your Alky kit or if you have any questions feel free to ask.

realcanuk · 07-25-2013, 06:04 PM

Ok... Just do the dual if you feel the need. As long as you use Alky Control.

I was single nozzle at 600 rwhp. When I changed to dual, it cost something like 40 bucks for the kit and I had to waste a half hour adding it.

Inferno LSX · 07-25-2013, 08:54 PM

Meth is a must!

Kakashi · 07-26-2013, 07:18 PM

Thanks for the info / help

I'll keep it all in mind and get in contact with Julio @ Alky. I'll see where I go from there on what to buy for my goals.

SmokedSS · 07-26-2013, 07:37 PM

Alky Control, installed @ 497 RWHP with no issues and have since move up to 652 RWHP and still working great! May as well start with dual because you will end up there. We all do

Detoxx03 · 07-27-2013, 03:28 PM

Dual nozzle Alky Control is the way to go.

quincy speeder · 07-29-2013, 07:54 PM

Alky control works. Still haven't hurt my motor yet.

Kronix · 07-29-2013, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by quincy speeder

Alky control works. Still haven't hurt my motor yet.

And it never will

Deezee · 07-29-2013, 10:16 PM

Ecs 1500 kit+nf cam+1 7/8 LTs+alky dual nozzle made 750whp in my c6 at lethal. We pulled a little timing (to save the stock clutch) and I dd 701whp!

meth? Yes please!! Was at 650whp before it

CamaroSS45 · 07-30-2013, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Deezee

Ecs 1500 kit+nf cam+1 7/8 LTs+alky dual nozzle made 750whp in my c6 at lethal. We pulled a little timing (to save the stock clutch) and I dd 701whp!

meth? Yes please!! Was at 650whp before it

Curious how much fuel you are having to pull in this / similar setups to avoid going too rich (impacting HP) and then as a result being so heavily dependent upon meth as a fuel source that any failure could cause a lean situation....

Could you comment on how you are addressing your tune here? .... I, like many, really want to leverage meth as a cooling and for the safety elements it offers so well - but not to the point I must pull fuel due to being so rich and then have potential risk. I don't even want to add timing with meth ....

Thanks for the insight from all the smart folks here....

Deezee · 07-31-2013, 08:06 AM

You would have to contact Shawn or nick at lethal racing for the tuning details. I do know they mounted the IAT sensor after the meth nozzles and the tune was set up so if it saw a large increase in temp (indicating no meth/bad pump ect) then it would pull all the timing and save the motor. That's how most do it I believe. Maybe one if them will chime in and give you more details. I personally see no problems with tuning the meth for power as long as there are safeties in place. I also had a light nick mounted by my boost gauge to tell me when the pump was on (red) and when I was at full psi (green) hope this helps.

07-25-2013, 06:04 PM	#19
realcanuk Drives: 2007 Corvette C6 983 RWHP Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Montreal, Canada Posts: 690	Ok... Just do the dual if you feel the need. As long as you use Alky Control. I was single nozzle at 600 rwhp. When I changed to dual, it cost something like 40 bucks for the kit and I had to waste a half hour adding it. __________________ 2007 C6 vert, auto, F55, LT3 LME LS402 , WCCH 245 Heads, Pat G. Custom cam YSI / 3.0 pulley, ARH 1 7/8 headers, NPP Dewitts / dual spals, A&A dual pump fuel system. 3.42 polished gears, hardened shafts, Alky control meth, Cartech line lock, ECS axle loops, Trans brace, 6L80 built by me. ID 1000 injectors, comp rockers, Morel lifters, BT springs, Trend 3/8 pushrods, ATI 10% OD Damper Circle D Triple Disc stall 1009 RWHP @ 7000, 817 RWTQ @ 6000,

07-25-2013, 08:54 PM	#20
Inferno LSX Supercharged LSX Drives: 2011 2SS/RS Black/Carbon Fiber Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: City of Angels Posts: 6,741 View My Garage	Meth is a must! __________________

07-27-2013, 03:28 PM	#23
Detoxx03 ЯєŧąяĐ Єl¡m¡иąŧøя ™ Drives: 2008 Corvette Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Woodward Avenue Posts: 876 View My Garage	Dual nozzle Alky Control is the way to go. __________________ D1SC Procharger 932/758 on E85 A Futral Motorsports Creation https://www.facebook.com/DetoxxAtomic

07-29-2013, 07:54 PM	#24
quincy speeder Drives: 2011 Camaro SS Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Quincy.Ma Posts: 202	Alky control works. Still haven't hurt my motor yet. __________________ 2010 SS, 230 Cam, ARH headers,Airaid intake, 160 t-stat,3.90 gears 475hp/430tq. -old setup added- Procharger F1-D, alky control,FIC 96lb,fuel system- 810hp/735tq- 10.3 at 136mph , 1.75 60'. see how long it lasts. Thanks to Slowhawk Performance. 2008 C6, 427ci,YSI,mcleod clutch,Alky control, built tranny, custom fuel system. 985rwhp, best 1/4 -9.4 at 152mph. still trying to get the shifting down:(

07-25-2013, 01:51 PM	#18
Birm Drives: Florida Speed & Power Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Pinellas Park, FL Posts: 3,185	Alkycontrol for the win. single nozzle will be more then enough for your setup but as Black10 said, a dual while you're in there is worth it since no one ever has enough power. As long as you keep the gain at the appropriate level and the tune is $$$$ you will not have any problems. Let me know if I can help you in anyway in getting your Alky kit or if you have any questions feel free to ask.

07-26-2013, 07:18 PM	#21
Kakashi Drives: Camaro SS 2010 M6 Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: PR Posts: 117	Thanks for the info / help I'll keep it all in mind and get in contact with Julio @ Alky. I'll see where I go from there on what to buy for my goals.

07-26-2013, 07:37 PM	#22
SmokedSS Guest Drives: 2011 2SS / RS A6 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Moving On Posts: 464 View My Garage	Alky Control, installed @ 497 RWHP with no issues and have since move up to 652 RWHP and still working great! May as well start with dual because you will end up there. We all do

07-29-2013, 10:16 PM	#26
Deezee Drives: 2013 SS/RS Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Virginia Beach, VA Posts: 482	Ecs 1500 kit+nf cam+1 7/8 LTs+alky dual nozzle made 750whp in my c6 at lethal. We pulled a little timing (to save the stock clutch) and I dd 701whp! meth? Yes please!! Was at 650whp before it

07-31-2013, 08:06 AM	#28
Deezee Drives: 2013 SS/RS Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Virginia Beach, VA Posts: 482	You would have to contact Shawn or nick at lethal racing for the tuning details. I do know they mounted the IAT sensor after the meth nozzles and the tune was set up so if it saw a large increase in temp (indicating no meth/bad pump ect) then it would pull all the timing and save the motor. That's how most do it I believe. Maybe one if them will chime in and give you more details. I personally see no problems with tuning the meth for power as long as there are safeties in place. I also had a light nick mounted by my boost gauge to tell me when the pump was on (red) and when I was at full psi (green) hope this helps.