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Denis · 11-19-2014, 07:37 PM

I'll take a sedan in white with the carbon fiber package please!!

Oh and I notice the 5th gen mail slot made it onto this. Wonder if it'll be functional...

SEVEN-OH JOE · 11-19-2014, 07:41 PM

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Luxury & value don't really go all that well together. And I hardly see how its better to be the 'value' (low MSRP) luxury brand over being the 'discounted' (incentivized) luxury brand. If anything, its better to pile on the incentives because even if the price ends up the same, buyers can claim they got a good deal.

That's great if you're peddling a Chev, or a Ford, or a Dodge. That's NOT the way to get a Luxury intender.

Audi-BMW-Lexus-MB dealers don't have rolls of Scotch tape handy to fasten fat checks to their hoods. Supporting their large % of lease customers with attractive monthly number$ is the way it's done. Attractive finance rates get attention. A fat check simply tells potential customers that your window sticker is "fiction". After all, these intenders didn't get where they are by being tricked by "smoke 'n mirrors". Just one more thing for de Nysschen to "adjust".

Put a window sticker on them that reflects "reality". They fully understand "value". They may also shop @ Costco, on occasion, but they leave the furs and jewels at home when they go there.

As for production adjustments, they're already afoot.

truth411 · 11-19-2014, 08:28 PM

To be brutally honest, I don't think the ATS-V has enough HP, the M3/M4 are underrated and I think run low 12s. It the seams like it's built to "compete" instead of "beat" the competition to me.

WHAMMO · 11-19-2014, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by truth411

To be brutally honest, I don't think the ATS-V has enough HP, the M3/M4 are underrated and I think run low 12s. It the seams like it's built to "compete" instead of "beat" the competition to me.

I think you are right, but the price has to make the difference. Buyer in this segment do not really care about 1/4 mile that much. If the Caddy has better drinving experience to offer, this is where its gonna hurt. I think this car will be able to make something like 12.5@115mph. 150lbs less than a 5th Gen and more HP and torque. If the price is right...

shaffe · 11-19-2014, 08:55 PM

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You must be in a big market to have dealers with that kind of inventory on hand, reminds me of some of the larger dealers in Southern California when I lived on the left coast years ago.

Suburbs of chicago so I'd say a pretty decent size market. But BMW Audi and Mercedes out number Cadillacs around here

SEVEN-OH JOE · 11-19-2014, 09:20 PM

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Suburbs of chicago so I'd say a pretty decent size market. But BMW Audi and Mercedes out number Cadillacs around here

And they do it WITHOUT Cash Backs.

SEVEN-OH JOE · 11-19-2014, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by truth411

To be brutally honest, I don't think the ATS-V has enough HP, the M3/M4 are underrated and I think run low 12s. It the seams like it's built to "compete" instead of "beat" the competition to me.

Well, like the GT350, no one's got their grubby hands on one to see what/how they run, and no one knows their prices. Other than those two small items, you're absolutely right. Maybe. Or not.

Number 3 · 11-19-2014, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by SEVEN-OH JOE

And they do it WITHOUT Cash Backs.

LOL BMW is offering $3500 off in constant TV ads here in Chicago.

Todd in Vancouver · 11-19-2014, 11:17 PM

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That is a larger dealer, but even one of the smaller Caddy dealers by me has 25 ATS' on the lot, and 37 CTS, and 50 SRX.

Just a perspective from a middle of the road average kinda guy, me. I'm looking at a secondary car to replace my wife's Altima. Kids a re grown and gone and we can do a "nicer" car for her. I'm all over the map but I do know I want a nicer, higher end kind of luxury car for her to use and us to drive on longer trips, going into the city etc.
I was just looking at some Caddys and I was a bit shocked at the prices, I'm a bit out of touch on these. My first thought was I can get a Beemer or MB for that much and in the long run it'll hold value better. Am I right in this assumption? I checked on Autotrader and frankly there aren't a whole lot of used Caddys in the area as we are heavily saturated with imports in Vancouver.

I do know that in my previous career working with European cars they were stupid expensive to maintain so it may be better to take a hit on future trade in and spend less on up keep. Anyone here have first hand experience to share in this?

Transdamm · 11-20-2014, 07:39 AM

i think some of you guys are way off the mark. This Car WILL have a sub 12 sec 1/4. I would have liked a Supercharged V8 again like my last V but im glad they didnt go lt1. the mod potential is just insane with these factory Forced induction cars. The V-sport picks up 75 WHEELhp with just a tune. it wont be long before there are 550rwhp 3600# ATS V's running around and im excited for it. GM has been doing there homework, they did not build this car just to compete with the M4. That would be an uphill battle beacuse there is no denying the M4 is well respected and very desirable. The ATS was built to make a name and do it at a lower price point then the M. Thats the only way to steal sales. And the current V is selling closer to invoice them MSRP but they are holding very strong values, much better then the german counterparts at this point.

GretchenGotGrowl · 11-20-2014, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by truth411

To be brutally honest, I don't think the ATS-V has enough HP, the M3/M4 are underrated and I think run low 12s. It the seams like it's built to "compete" instead of "beat" the competition to me.

If you accept GM's numbers for the 5th Gen Camaro SS it does 0-60 in 4.7s and the 1/4th mile in 13.0. The ATS-V is 0.8s faster 0-60 and will probably at least that in the 1/4th. That would put it in the low 12s range and in the hands of a good driver and good DA we could see some 11s. Much faster and it would be banging on the doors of the Corvette.

GretchenGotGrowl · 11-20-2014, 07:53 AM

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i think some of you guys are way off the mark. This Car WILL have a sub 12 sec 1/4. I would have liked a Supercharger V8 again like my last V but im glad they didnt go lt1. the mod potential is just insane with these factory Forced induction cars. The V-sport picks up 75 WHEELhp with just a tune. it wont be long before there are 550rwhp 3600# ATS V's running around and im excited for it. GM has been doing there homework, they did not build this car just to compete with the M4. ...

Exactly. This car will perform well in it's class and be easily modded.

KMPrenger · 11-20-2014, 08:05 AM

This is easily a low 12 second car.

Transdamm · 11-20-2014, 08:36 AM

people quoting the 3.9 0-60, does anyone know if thats the 6 speed or the new 8 speed? i think thats the elephant in the room. if thats the 6 speed were looking at a 3.6/3.7 0-60 with the new 8-speed. and i really would not be suprised with a higher hp number closer to production like that did with the Z06. This motor was built to take massive boost, titanium rods?? this thing is no joke.

11-19-2014, 07:37 PM	#43
Denis Drives: 2010 SS Join Date: May 2012 Location: Yorktown Heights, NY Posts: 7,695 View My Garage	I'll take a sedan in white with the carbon fiber package please!! Oh and I notice the 5th gen mail slot made it onto this. Wonder if it'll be functional... __________________

11-20-2014, 07:39 AM	#52
Transdamm Drives: BMW 650I Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: NYC Posts: 80	i think some of you guys are way off the mark. This Car WILL have a sub 12 sec 1/4. I would have liked a Supercharged V8 again like my last V but im glad they didnt go lt1. the mod potential is just insane with these factory Forced induction cars. The V-sport picks up 75 WHEELhp with just a tune. it wont be long before there are 550rwhp 3600# ATS V's running around and im excited for it. GM has been doing there homework, they did not build this car just to compete with the M4. That would be an uphill battle beacuse there is no denying the M4 is well respected and very desirable. The ATS was built to make a name and do it at a lower price point then the M. Thats the only way to steal sales. And the current V is selling closer to invoice them MSRP but they are holding very strong values, much better then the german counterparts at this point. Last edited by Transdamm; 11-20-2014 at 08:38 AM.

11-20-2014, 08:05 AM	#55
KMPrenger Drives: 16 Camaro SS, 15 Colorado Join Date: May 2009 Location: Jefferson City, Missouri Posts: 13,943	This is easily a low 12 second car. __________________ 2016 Camaro 1SS - 8-speed - NPP - Black bowties 2010 Camaro 1LT V6 (Sold. I will miss her!)

11-19-2014, 08:28 PM	#45
truth411 Drives: police interceptor Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Austin, tx Posts: 1,292	To be brutally honest, I don't think the ATS-V has enough HP, the M3/M4 are underrated and I think run low 12s. It the seams like it's built to "compete" instead of "beat" the competition to me.

11-20-2014, 08:36 AM	#56
Transdamm Drives: BMW 650I Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: NYC Posts: 80	people quoting the 3.9 0-60, does anyone know if thats the 6 speed or the new 8 speed? i think thats the elephant in the room. if thats the 6 speed were looking at a 3.6/3.7 0-60 with the new 8-speed. and i really would not be suprised with a higher hp number closer to production like that did with the Z06. This motor was built to take massive boost, titanium rods?? this thing is no joke.