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Old 03-23-2009, 10:33 AM   #15
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I dont think he was talking about plastic interiors or panel gaps specifically, he was making note of how the testers made comments about the mustang's poor build quality (could've been a one in a million mistake), but nonetheless not too positive response regarding those details for the Ford
well that's good they didn't get this car then



not like this is a suprise, but the camaro should win. the suprise i think, more for the camaro folk is how d--m close the mustang is, especially on a track

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Old 03-23-2009, 10:38 AM   #16
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Good read. I'm surpised with the raving about the 'Stang. I guess the solid rear axle isn't dead...
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Old 03-23-2009, 10:46 AM   #17
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Well, I am sure we are all glad our baby was the winner but let's face it, you can't go wrong in any of these cars and I am glad to see all three US makers back in the game. If the economy lets things get back to normal at some point, I think these three cars will sell like hotcakes and will also influence car design again, just like US automakers did in the 50's and 60's.
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Old 03-23-2009, 10:56 AM   #18
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Very good read. Thanks for posting.
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Old 03-23-2009, 11:12 AM   #19
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What exactly does the track pack do for the Mustang? Awesome read though.
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Old 03-23-2009, 11:31 AM   #20
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That, IMHO, was a well written article and featured the input from two different drivers in each car. That is a much better scenario than having one person's point of view throughout the testing.

Unlike some, I was not surprised by the Mustang GT's (w/track pack) handling prowess, as it basically uses the same suspension setup as the Shelby GT (not GT500) which has already been given rave reviews and proven to hold its own on a road course.

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You'd be giddy pushing either of these two through a mountain pass, and if the road were smooth the Mustang GT might have an edge. But for all-around prowess and stability, the Camaro SS holds a slight edge. Frankly, though, we're amazed at how close the real-world-handling comparison turned out. Sorry, Hatfields and McCoys: No huge winner here. Both Mustang GT and Camaro SS tackle mountain roads superbly.
Luckily, for the Mustang, most road courses I have ran on have not been riddled with potholes or have particularly rough patches in the corners, so I suspect the competition between it and the Camaro will come down to the skill of the driver, not the engineering of the vehicle.

Can we now put to bed all the fanboy talk about how much the Camaro is going to separate itself from the Mustang "in the twisties"? Sure, as the article stated, the Camaro carries an edge, but not as much of one as many Camaro fan-boys would have hoped.

I would also like to say, having owned two S197 Mustangs, a 2005 GT and the current GT500, that I have never experienced the "window gap" issue referenced in the article, and I have been running at speeds well in excess of 60mph around a road course in both. Consdiering that the roof did not change between the 2005-2009 models and the 2010+ models, I suspect the car they were testing was not a final production vehicle. If it was, Ford QA needs to revisit their inspection process before the cars start hitting the showrooms.

As I have said before, this is a great time to be a performance car enthusiast no matter what you brand preference may be. But you better get in on it now, because I have a bed feeling it will not last very long.

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What exactly does the track pack do for the Mustang? Awesome read though.
The "track pack" option features three things over the standard GT version:

3.73 rear gears
Upgraded two-piston brake calipers with performance pads
Recalibrated ESC (electronic stability control) funtions
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Old 03-23-2009, 11:38 AM   #21
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I was surprised about the negative comment about the manual tranny. Might make some people switch to an auto.
Not at all. I'm hoping it just takes a bit getting used to. This is the 2008 Vette engine, I don't think any of those guys are having too many problems....
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Old 03-23-2009, 11:38 AM   #22
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Wow,so much for the GT500-killing SS or the GT-killing V6. It's a great car though but i hope these comparos bring the hype and unreal expectations down to earth for some people.
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Old 03-23-2009, 11:44 AM   #23
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The only thing I would add to the Camaro that the Mustang has is an aluminum block to cut some weight, otherwise the Camaro rules !!!
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Old 03-23-2009, 11:49 AM   #24
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another thing

Notice all the Mustang marketing on the page?
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Old 03-23-2009, 11:50 AM   #25
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Wow,so much for the GT500-killing SS or the GT-killing V6. It's a great car though but i hope these comparos bring the hype and unreal expectations down to earth for some people.
I don't know, some of what helps the Mustang GT w/track pack is going to hurt the GT500, the biggest factor being the cars weight distribution and overall heft.

I am interested to see the performance numbers from a stock 2010 GT500, as it has a lot of improvements in the suspension area over the 2007-2009 GT500's and the addition of an ESC system. I suspect the 2010 GT500 numbers to look something like this:

0-60 in 4.2 seconds
1/4mile in 12.1 @ 115mph
60-0 in 110-115ft
Lateral g's in the .92-.95 range (of course, this will depend most on what tires the 2010 features. if they retain the Goodyears, I would say the car will be at the lower end of that range.)

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Notice all the Mustang marketing on the page?
Considering the way that internet advertising is set up to display depending on the type of site you visit, that should not be a surprise. If you are suggesting that Ford somehow influenced the review, then you are really, really reaching.
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Old 03-23-2009, 11:55 AM   #26
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The "track pack" option features three things over the standard GT version:

3.73 rear gears
Upgraded two-piston brake calipers with performance pads
Recalibrated ESC (electronic stability control) funtions
According to top gear...

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There is a "Track Pack" available for $1,400. The word "value" cannot be expressed more completely. The Pack includes performance front and rear brake pads, revised shocks and dampers, 255/40-17 Pirelli PZero RFT maximum performance summer tires, a unique stability-control program, a 3:73 rear-end with carbon-fiber discs in the limited-slip for extended high-temperature use and shock tops, rear lower control arms and antiroll bars from the GT500.
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the only fued I have with this comparison is that they used a challenger classic...which when fully loaded cost alot....instead of using a base rt with a 6 speed...in the end the rt should be second and mustang 3rd. they even said it, the challenger was 3rd due to price. they got special wheels why? to add more to the cost.

besides that the camaro is the clear winner
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Notice all the Mustang marketing on the page?
Lame,the Camaro won the test
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