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Old 07-29-2010, 08:06 PM   #57
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OK ALL FORD SUCKS.............
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Old 07-29-2010, 08:25 PM   #58
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OK ALL FORD SUCKS.............
im surprised to find to many retards on these boards....we are all car enthusiasts at the base?am i right? Some people take a good debate way too seriously...like we are talking about a country versus another in a time of war with religion etc....defendeing our lifestyle:flag1:

This is a car...and for the engien dyno pulls to be aqual (considering tire diameter final drive and primary transmission gears ratio) a 3.73 mustang you must have a 4.75 rear end in your camaro ss to see the torque advantage.....with a 3.31 stang youll need 4.33 gears (not that those gears exist but its and example of a competent car let down by details)



Judging by the response i would say theres a lot of italian guys (or girls) debating this topic...its very passionate
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Old 07-29-2010, 08:33 PM   #59
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i love my camaro no matter what i will never buy ford unless it was nick to nick with bugatti veyron
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Old 07-29-2010, 08:35 PM   #60
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Both the Camaro and Mustang are bad ass, all you have to do as a consumer/enthusiast is pick your flavor. Camaro is grape Kool aid and Mustang is liver.
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Old 07-29-2010, 10:18 PM   #61
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Well that was a bit insulting but to your comment, it's a mod, it's not stock so why argue about it, we all know when it comes to mods he who has the most money wins. I bet it would be more of a monster, but that is not a factory option is all i'm saying, hope you understand what i'm talking about and i'm glad we had this talk.
I'm sorry, I was a bit cranky while I was posting on here earlier. I apologize!
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Old 07-30-2010, 06:41 AM   #62
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Good review but the following is incorrect:

"In talking with the dealers about the Stang, they said that they did not see the HP and TQ improvements with add ons like you get with the SS and that you really had to rev the Stang hard to keep the power up, similiar to what the dyno charts showed."
You are trying to say he did not talk with the dealer?
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Old 07-30-2010, 09:21 AM   #63
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You are trying to say he did not talk with the dealer?



I am saying the dealer is wrong.
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Old 07-30-2010, 09:24 AM   #64
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Dyno doesn't take into consideration the fact that the looks of the Camaro blow the Mustang away.
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Old 07-30-2010, 10:47 AM   #65
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Dyno doesn't take into consideration the fact that the looks of the Camaro blow the Mustang away.
subjective of course... I prefer the 2011 mustangs looks... mainly because one can see out of the windows.
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Old 07-30-2010, 11:20 AM   #66
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Guys the ls series engine is pushrod 50 years old technology....enough said
I don't agree that the Coyote engine is any more "modern" than the ls3 just because it is newer.

Double overhead cam engines have been around since at least 1919. The pushrod engine since around 1903.

I would say the only thing modern about either one is the computer controlling them (for good or bad), and the metal alloys they are made out of.

They have both been the subject of continuous improvments for about 100 years.
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Old 07-30-2010, 11:25 AM   #67
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subjective of course... I prefer the 2011 mustangs looks... mainly because one can see out of the windows.

The car's looks not your view out the window.

Pull into a parking lot in a new Mustang = (nothing to see here)

Pull into a parking lot in a Camaro SS =
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Old 07-30-2010, 12:13 PM   #68
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Meh, I couldn't care less what the people in a parking lot think about my car.

Personally I like the mustangs looks better.
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Old 07-30-2010, 12:44 PM   #69
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Meh, I couldn't care less what the people in a parking lot think about my car.

Personally I like the mustangs looks better.
And this is why we are blessed to have choices. I think it's awesome to see the muscle car wars again. Every car has their pros and cons and none of them are perfect (not even the Camaro).

I would expect Ford is going to have to come out with a new design in the next couple years because their current design has basically been out since 2005.

Personally I'm not married to any one brand. All Mfgs make some good cars and some crap cars. If the Camaro didn't come out when it did I would probably be driving a GT 500.

Here are a couple pics of a GT that got bought before I got serious about a new car. I still love the looks of this car and though I wouldn't trade my Camaro for it, it was a close second to my Camaro.
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Meh, I couldn't care less what the people in a parking lot think about my car.

Personally I like the mustangs looks better.
I'm sure there's a bunch of Mustang guys over in the Mustang forum that feel the same way.
But in a Camaro forum, I'm sure you're in the minority (as in the general public going by the lastest sales figures).
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