NEW Official Details on Camaro ZL1 -- 580hp / 556 lb-ft torque!!

[ShnOmac]

Originally Posted by rez333

http://www.leftlanenews.com/2011-for...nds-video.html

Per the video you shared it says they were at Virginia International Raceway Grand West Course and per the article it says they used fastestlaps.com to get the times. Unfortunately fastestlaps.com doesn't have stats for that track, only the main track. On top of that Fastestslaps.com doesnt even list the 2011 GT500 at Virginia international raceway. Im calling shenanigans on leftlane news on this one..... there is no direct comparison of the two.

I can only find one direct comparison between the 2011 GT500 and a 2011 CTS-V.... and its a toss up!

http://www.roadandtrack.com/tests/co...cadillac-cts-v

[OldScoolCamaro]

Originally Posted by JHL88

4200 lbs = FAIL

it would've been great if they somehow kept it under 4

Originally Posted by Huggerorange73

4200 pounds....with powdered rods and cast silicon pistons?

I thought this was the ULTRA Camaro?

Color me unimpressed.....Right now the GT500 is still bringing more to the table guys.

Get the weight down and put some forged internals in it and you'll have a MONSTER on your hands.

As far as keeping the faith.....after what I've gone through with my car...that ship has long since sailed.

Originally Posted by JHL88

sorry to say i do agree. they dropped the ball IMO by not adding forged internals like the shelby

... I would like to say...if ignorance is bliss, 'tis folly to be wise...

Rissim, rassam, frissim, frassam....Mac, where's the ban hammer???

[scritchy]

Originally Posted by OldScoolCamaro

... I would like to say...if ignorance is bliss, 'tis folly to be wise...

Rissim, rassam, frissim, frassam....Mac, where's the ban hammer???

If ignorance were bliss, a lot of these folks would be positively orgasmic.

[IOMZL1]

Originally Posted by rez333

and the Lexus LFA, which also does not have MRC beats the ZR1. And all the cars faster than the ZR1 at Nurburgring also don't have MRC.

I agree that you have to fit the suspensions to the same car to make an accurate comparison but we don't have such a real-life example. We only have real-life examples of what companies do.

MRC is not like the magical BOSE magnetic suspension. It's just softening or hardening the damping liquid. In other words, a car with a high performance setting on the dampers will perform as well as MRC - it just won't be as comfortable. Furthermore, on a race course, you're not going to have the same road variances as the street, thus making MRC pretty redundant on a course. I maintain my argument that MRC is purely for street purposes, and in that regard is fantastic.

This isn't true. Any race team would love the ability to tune for each corner, under breaking, on the straigts... A damper curve for a specific track is an average and a compromise. Not better. Compromise and best fit. What do you think dampers do? The increase resistance to compression and rebound - exactly what the MRC is doing, but instead of a generic curve it is able to adjust many times per second. puting it in tour mode adjusts the firmness offset, but there is much more to the damper than that.

I hate Bose and I know there is no magic bullet, but a properly responding MRC will always be better than a generic damper. The end.

We've agreed comparing cars is useless and I was just countering your original point.

[ShnOmac]

Originally Posted by scritchy

If ignorance were bliss, a lot of these folks would be positively orgasmic.

Just trying to do my duties as good Camaro5'er to stop the spread of mis-information!




Just to clarify....
The weight of the ZL1 has not been announced by GM!!

[Evil Trailblazer SS]

[ShnOmac]

Originally Posted by rez333

and the Lexus LFA, which also does not have MRC beats the ZR1.

A special edition LFA beat the ZR1's time.... and it was a 2009 ZR1. Notice the actual LFA is at #33

Lap times (258)

Pos Make / Model Time Speed (km/h) Year Power (hp) / Weight (kg) Driven by
1. Radical SR8LM 6:48.00 182 0 455 / 650 Michael Vergers
2. Radical SR8 6:55.00 179 '05 363 / 650 Michael Vergers
3. Gumpert Apollo Speed 7:11.57 172 '09 700 / 1200 Florian Gruber
4. Lexus LFA Nurburgring Package 7:14.64 171 '12 570 / 1509 Lexus/Akira Lida
5. Donkervoort D8 RS 7:14.89 171 '05 350 / 600 Michael Duechting
6. Porsche 997 GT2 RS 7:18.00 169 '10 620 / 1370 Timo Kluck
7. Radical SR3 Turbo 7:19.00 169 '03 320 / 500 Phil Bennett
8. Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 7:19.63 169 '08 647 / 1530 GM testdriver
9. Dodge Viper SRT-10 ACR 7:22.10 168 '08 600 / 1536 Motor Trend
10. Chevrolet Corvette Z06 Z07 Package 7:22.68 168 '11 512 / 1394 GM
11. Chevrolet Corvette Z06 Z07 Package 7:22.68 168 '11 512 / 1394 GM
12. Lexus LFA Nurburgring Package 7:22.85 167 '12 570 / 1509 Akira Iida
13. Gumpert Apollo Sport 7:24.00 167 '07 700 / 1200 sportauto
14. Nissan GT-R (Mk II) 7:24.22 167 '11 530 / 1736 Nissan
15. Maserati MC12 7:24.29 167 '04 632 / 1335 Marc Basseng
16. Pagani Zonda F Clubsport 7:24.65 167 '05 650 / 1230 Marc Basseng
17. Ferrari Enzo 7:25.21 167 '02 660 / 1365 Marc Basseng
18. Nissan GT-R 7:26.70 166 '08 479 / 1740 Toshio Suzuki
19. Porsche 997 GT3 RS 4.0 7:27.00 166 '11 500 / 1360 Porsche testdriver
20. Ferrari 458 Italia 7:28.00 166 '09 570 / 1485 Scuderia Autoropa
21. Porsche Carrera GT 7:28.71 165 '03 612 / 1380 Marc Basseng
22. Porsche 997 GT3 RS 4.0 7:30.00 165 '11 500 / 1360 Horst von Saurma
23. Porsche 911 GT2 7:31.00 164 '07 530 / 1440 Walter Röhrl
24. Porsche 997 Turbo S 7:32.00 164 '10 530 / 1585 Walter Rohlr
25. Pagani Zonda F 7:33.00 164 '05 602 / 1371 Sport Auto
26. Porsche 997 GT3 RS (facelift) 7:33.00 164 '10 450 / 1400 sportauto
27. Koenigsegg CCX 7:33.55 164 '06 806 / 1456 Marc Basseng
28. Koenigsegg CCR 7:34.00 163 '04 806 / 1418 Sport Auto
29. Audi R8 GT 7:34.00 163 '10 560 / 1520 Horst von Saurma
30. Nissan GT-R Spec-V 7:34.46 163 '09 492 / 1680 Best Motoring
31. RUF RT12 7:35.00 163 '05 650 / 1573 Sport Auto
32. Porsche 911 Turbo 7:38.00 162 '06 480 / 1585 Porsche
33. Lexus LF-A 7:38.00 162 '10 560 / 1609 Sportauto


EDIT: I was just informed that the 7:19 lap time for the ZL1 was actually a 2012 not a 2009. Thanks DG!

[ShnOmac]

Originally Posted by Evil Trailblazer SS

Okay lets get back on topic.....There is a VS section for this stuff.

[OldScoolCamaro]

Originally Posted by ShnOmac

Per the video you shared it says they were at Virginia International Raceway Grand West Course and per the article it says they used fastestlaps.com to get the times. Unfortunately fastestlaps.com doesn't have stats for that track, only the main track. On top of that Fastestslaps.com doesnt even list the 2011 GT500 at Virginia international raceway. Im calling shenanigans on leftlane news on this one..... there is no direct comparison of the two.

I can only find one direct comparison between the 2011 GT500 and a 2011 CTS-V.... and its a toss up!

http://www.roadandtrack.com/tests/co...cadillac-cts-v

...unless the defendant can provide any further proof I favor on the side of the State...., errr, I mean the Intelligence Director of the Rebel Force...

[ShnOmac]

Originally Posted by OldScoolCamaro

...unless the defendant can provide any further proof I favor on the side of the State...., errr, I mean the Intelligence Director of the Rebel Force...

I really really hate it when information is skewed to make something look better or worse..... I have this weird thing about really digging into car reviews and such.


Oh well......

[OldScoolCamaro]

Originally Posted by ShnOmac

I really really hate it when information is skewed to make something look better or worse..... I have this weird thing about really digging into car reviews and such.


Oh well......

Roger that Mac, I hear ya.. BTW congrats on your promotion and new title within the Rebel Force...., Pete (AKA 2.99 Rebel Leader) just opened up a whole new venue on that theme...LOL

[CallMeWonder]

I'm gonna laugh if the car does turn out 4100+

[ShnOmac]

Originally Posted by CallMeWonder

I'm gonna laugh if the car does turn out 4100+

What if it does... but still turns blistering lap times?

[CallMeWonder]

Originally Posted by ShnOmac

What if it does... but still turns blistering lap times?

That'll be great, I'll just laugh at the people defending the fact that it can't be over 4100 with their lives..........