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JLGO · 02-06-2018, 03:13 PM

I just got my car back from the speed shop that install the vvt3 cam and torque converter. My baseline whp with headers, exhaust, intake, gears and tune was 363 and my new whp is 421. I am kind of shock that I only got 58whp from the cam. I figured that if my car was stock maybe it the whp could of had been between 320 and 330 what most peolple get from the l99 and add an additional 100whp with the TSP vvt3 cam with supporting mods. But anyways, I am going back to the installer tomorrow because my car has died on me about 4 times on the stop lights when I was coming home, he used HP tuner on my car. The car runs really good while cruising but shakes like a mofo on idle. I only drove it about 20 miles on my way home. What are you thoughts?

go_go_gadget88 · 02-06-2018, 03:26 PM

Yeah that seems kinda low. TSP site shows that cam gaining 124 hp over the stock one. So even if you lose 25% of that thru the drivetrain, you should have still picked up ~90ish or so.

I would look at the tune, as your numbers for the before seem pretty stout. Running good while cruising doesn't mean there's no power left on the table.

pyroguy · 02-06-2018, 03:29 PM

421 probably isn't too bad of a number for an automatic with a cam. There could be some hp left on the table, but that isn't terrible from what I've seen here. You're on track, but a little low (maybe 10-20 hp) on the baseline for a '13+ due to the electric steering. I think you've got the right idea to go back to the tuner with it stalling on you multiple times on the way home, something is obviously not quite right. Good luck with the new setup!

Ninjaboikim · 02-06-2018, 03:46 PM

I made 460HP on the dyno with my TSP VVT3. Keep in mind that this is their old 3.1 version, not their new 3.2 version.

JLGO · 02-06-2018, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by go_go_gadget88

Yeah that seems kinda low. TSP site shows that cam gaining 124 hp over the stock one. So even if you lose 25% of that thru the drivetrain, you should have still picked up ~90ish or so.

I would look at the tune, as your numbers for the before seem pretty stout. Running good while cruising doesn't mean there's no power left on the table.

Before the cam swap the car was dynoed with headers, intake, gears, exhaust and of course Dynosteve's tune. The car was on the shop for 2 weeks. I didn't care the installation was on point, but it was tuned last Friday. It has been race day for them The tech said he is going to retune it. I ran my scanner and saw my small fuel ratio on both banks staying near zero as possible so that seems okay. But anyways, I will let you know what are the #s tomorrow.

JLGO · 02-06-2018, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Ninjaboikim

Although, I still have stock gears. idk if your aftermarket gears might of affected the dyno numbers.

I thought that also.

Punisher_ATX · 02-06-2018, 05:43 PM

Size of stall converter weather and correction factor all come into play. I wouldnt get too caught up in dyno numbers. I switched from a tr6060 to a th400 and lost over 100hp. Find a car with 475-485 hp and get a run in or take it to the track.

sdynak · 02-06-2018, 06:27 PM

Short term fuel ratio will always strive for 0 .. when there are large adjustments that will be seen in the long term #'s.. Essentially when the long term moves up the short term resets itself to that new range. Defiantly something not right if she is stalling.. Needs a doctor.

JLGO · 02-07-2018, 05:27 PM

Done, the tuner had to lean the mixture at idle.

It has been a very long time since I felt a rocking from a cammed v8. I feel like the motor wants to get out of under the hood and kill me. I probably have to chain it up, lol.

sdynak · 02-07-2018, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by JLGO

Done, the tuner had to lean the mixture at idle.

It has been a very long time since I felt a rocking from a cammed v8. I feel like the motor wants to get out of under the hood and kill me. I probably have to chain it up, lol.

jc615 · 02-08-2018, 02:39 AM

I'd say you're in the ballpark rwhp wise based off my previous tsp cam. Punisher already weighed in all the things that can affect it. Go to track and see what it runs, that'll give you a true reading of where you are

Bo White · 02-08-2018, 02:59 AM

Thats a good gain bud. 58rwhp off just a cam swap is nothing to sneeze at.

WHAMMO · 02-08-2018, 03:38 AM

Impressive for an auto cam only! And the tune is def not done 100% since it stalls easily.

JLGO · 02-08-2018, 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Bo White

Thats a good gain bud. 58rwhp off just a cam swap is nothing to sneeze at.

I expected much more hp gains. I will be getting retune next week. There is a video of my car on facebook at the

https://m.facebook.com/Next-Level-Pe...e-79178403627/

02-06-2018, 03:13 PM	#1
JLGO Drives: 2015 Camaro SS convertible L99 Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 245	TSP VVT- 3 cam I just got my car back from the speed shop that install the vvt3 cam and torque converter. My baseline whp with headers, exhaust, intake, gears and tune was 363 and my new whp is 421. I am kind of shock that I only got 58whp from the cam. I figured that if my car was stock maybe it the whp could of had been between 320 and 330 what most peolple get from the l99 and add an additional 100whp with the TSP vvt3 cam with supporting mods. But anyways, I am going back to the installer tomorrow because my car has died on me about 4 times on the stop lights when I was coming home, he used HP tuner on my car. The car runs really good while cruising but shakes like a mofo on idle. I only drove it about 20 miles on my way home. What are you thoughts?

02-06-2018, 03:26 PM	#2
go_go_gadget88 Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS ABM 6M Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Kansas Posts: 617	Yeah that seems kinda low. TSP site shows that cam gaining 124 hp over the stock one. So even if you lose 25% of that thru the drivetrain, you should have still picked up ~90ish or so. I would look at the tune, as your numbers for the before seem pretty stout. Running good while cruising doesn't mean there's no power left on the table. __________________ 2010 ABM 2SS/RS LS3 6 Speed -- Rotofab CAI \| Speed Engineering 1 7/8" Longtubes w/ cat Delete \| Magnaflow competition catback \| TSP 231/246 cam\| TSP/PAC .660" Spring Kit \| TSP CNC Ported Heads \| Bo White PTB \| GPI Ported/RM Intake \| 3.91's \| BC Catch Can \| MGW Shifter \| BMR 1" Drop Springs \| BMR Trailing arms/Toe Rods/Rear UCA Bushings \| Pegasus Subframe Mounts

02-06-2018, 03:29 PM	#3
pyroguy Started#gottalovethatblue Drives: ABM #831 Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: TN Posts: 6,913 View My Garage	421 probably isn't too bad of a number for an automatic with a cam. There could be some hp left on the table, but that isn't terrible from what I've seen here. You're on track, but a little low (maybe 10-20 hp) on the baseline for a '13+ due to the electric steering. I think you've got the right idea to go back to the tuner with it stalling on you multiple times on the way home, something is obviously not quite right. Good luck with the new setup! __________________ '10 Camaro 2SS/RS \| Aqua Blue #831 of 3,903 \| Silver Stripes Check out my build thread

02-06-2018, 03:46 PM	#4
Ninjaboikim Drives: Black Camaro SS 2014 L99 Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Metairie, Louisiana Posts: 47	I made 460HP on the dyno with my TSP VVT3. Keep in mind that this is their old 3.1 version, not their new 3.2 version. __________________ Performance: Kooks 1 7/8 LTH, Off road pipes, Corsa Catback sport, Bo White Throttle Body, CAI intake, DOD/AFM delete, TSP VVT3, 3600 yank converter, Dyno tuned

02-06-2018, 06:27 PM	#8
sdynak Drives: 2010 1SS Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Bayville, NJ Posts: 936	Short term fuel ratio will always strive for 0 .. when there are large adjustments that will be seen in the long term #'s.. Essentially when the long term moves up the short term resets itself to that new range. Defiantly something not right if she is stalling.. Needs a doctor. __________________ 2010 1SS LS3, Black, 235/250, .621/.615, 114 + 4, Kooks Stepped Headers, 3.91's, Bo White PTB, Flowmaster Mufflers, Cold Air Industries CAI, Apex Scoop & Windshield Washer Relocate, SLP Wheels, Skip Shift Eliminate, Barton Flat Stick, OEM HID/Halos, Dyno Tuned by ECS

02-06-2018, 05:43 PM	#7
Punisher_ATX Drives: 2010 SS Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Austin Posts: 439	Size of stall converter weather and correction factor all come into play. I wouldnt get too caught up in dyno numbers. I switched from a tr6060 to a th400 and lost over 100hp. Find a car with 475-485 hp and get a run in or take it to the track.

02-07-2018, 05:27 PM	#9
JLGO Drives: 2015 Camaro SS convertible L99 Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 245	Done, the tuner had to lean the mixture at idle. It has been a very long time since I felt a rocking from a cammed v8. I feel like the motor wants to get out of under the hood and kill me. I probably have to chain it up, lol.

02-08-2018, 02:39 AM	#11
jc615 Account Suspended Drives: Camaro and Sierra Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Virginia Posts: 795	I'd say you're in the ballpark rwhp wise based off my previous tsp cam. Punisher already weighed in all the things that can affect it. Go to track and see what it runs, that'll give you a true reading of where you are

02-08-2018, 02:59 AM	#12
Bo White Drives: 2015 Summit White 2SS 1LE Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Vance Alabama Posts: 8,017	Thats a good gain bud. 58rwhp off just a cam swap is nothing to sneeze at. __________________ Retired wanna be cylinder head porter 2015 2SS 1LE Clutch reservoir, Vararam DRX, ported TB, TSP 2" headers, MGW shifter Totalled: 2010 1SS Wilkes Performance/Eagle 416 shortblock, TSP custom valvetrain, PRC 260 heads, Edelbrock Pro Flo 102, th400 swap, 8" PTC 5500 stall= 535/435 at the wheels tuned Gen 3 Performance and Dyno 10.97 @ 124 full weight in 3100 DA CamaroFest X

02-08-2018, 03:38 AM	#13
WHAMMO Drives: 13' 1LE Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Canada Posts: 2,641	Impressive for an auto cam only! And the tune is def not done 100% since it stalls easily. __________________ 13' 1LE Old setup: TSP 231-236/Tick 660/.105 PR, UDP, SW LT 2'' & HFC, stock NPP & H pipe, VR-DRX CAI, air scoop, Goertz1 manifold, 102mm BBK, 26" Toyo DRs, Forgestars R17x10 & F18x8, rear seat delete, remote Pat G tune Autocal, 7400 limiter, Spec Mini Twin. 91oct. 11.90@122.3, 0-60ft 2.0 / 11.99@123.6, 0-60ft 2.1 DA+819 ...519RWHP SAE Solid roller SBE LS3, FED, LLSR, 91oct, 605rwhp N/A. Tuned by Pat G. Build by me.