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okernan6.2 · 09-22-2008, 04:46 PM

Will headers void the warranty for the SS? I am pretty sure an aftermarket cam will.

headpunter · 09-22-2008, 04:50 PM

only if they determine an exhaust problem caused what ever problem you need fixed with the warranty.

good news is that the presentation at indy hinted at headers being available

racedad70 · 09-22-2008, 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by okernan6.2

Will headers void the warranty for the SS? I am pretty sure an aftermarket cam will.

No! Be safe and get the ones from GMPP.

*radz28* · 09-22-2008, 05:43 PM

I think in a round-about way, they could lead to problems that would be the result of adding them. For example: not all cars require PCM tuning in order to run long tubes (I'm assuming you mean long tubes LTs)) however so do because they'll over-compansate with to much fuel or won't compansate enough. Each of those conditions can result in different things and failures. Okay, I'll tune the PCM - no biggie. Well, I think if you get into the PCM (unless it's through a GMPP-specific flash program (which I have not heard or ever seen anything about)) you'll be changing parameters that GM has set when programming the car and therefore void your powertrain warranty. I don't see any othe headers being offered by GM except shorties, in order to remain CARB-legal (unless they don't consider them accessories and as performance parts) and if that's the case you probably won't need much tuning because shorties have not really given much performance gains over LTs in the past because they didn't effect exhaust flow as much as LTs.

Sorry so long... The cam will - without a doubt in my mind (regardless of OEM or aftermarket) but I think you'll be asking for trouble, if you're worried about a warranty, unless you use anything outside of GMPP.

JM.02.

headpunter · 09-22-2008, 06:03 PM

there was talk of GMPP having Shorties for the Camaro

JiXeR'z DoDgE/FoRd KiLLeR · 09-22-2008, 06:38 PM

It may void the warranty...but anyhow I'm pretty sure Kooks wiil have the best headers out for the CaMaRo

nester7929 · 09-22-2008, 07:31 PM

Aren't headers only beneficial if you've done other stuff as well, like intake? You can't blow out what you're not taking in.

gunslinger · 09-22-2008, 08:02 PM

Some of the members here need to spend some time over on LS1tech.com's Advanced Performance Forum...

*The_Blur* · 09-22-2008, 08:35 PM

I'm going to have to post this more than Z28 rumor rebuttals.

It's a law that protects your rights under warranty. You will not lose your warranty unless the new part specifically causes the old part to break.

*radz28* · 09-23-2008, 09:30 AM

I won't make a big post because I don't want to repeat myself with a long thread that's boring nor seem like I'm following 'Blur around (seriously - I'm not

) but make no mistake that they will screwtinize any changes you make very carefully if your car has a problem. I know the law (okay, I don't know, but have a very general understanding) that you mean and think SEMA and some other aftermarket entities were fighting hard on legislation to protect customers with these laws. I'm just saying be careful with what you do with your car, because there are many ways to trace a problem to the cause.

AirGoya · 09-23-2008, 09:55 AM

Can someone explain the difference between shorties and long tube headers. I mean obviosly shorties are shorter but what do they do differently and why would this make GM offer shorties?

Mblock66 · 09-23-2008, 10:16 AM

SHorties are basically just the collector and then a flange. LT are the collector from each of the 4 cyl on each side and then they continue back to a new H or X pipe depending on the design, then either High Flow cats or no cats.

As for the warrenty issues. The law is there but you will never win unless you have really deep pockets. I have been through this quite a few times so trust me. Dealers make more $ when you pay for a repair then if it is covered. With that said if they see an aftermarket part on the car they will usually do whatever they can to say that part increased the HP and original design of the car creating different conditions therefore whatever the failure is, it is not covered.

Now we call know that a 3" exhaust will not cause an alternator to go, but since they know you need a new one and they can pull this kind of stupid explaination, YOU now have to take them to court over an alternator. It is never worth it and yes you lose every time.

Unless your entire engine blows and it is a large expense item it is never worth it and dealers know this. So you will pay to play. If you mod with non warrentied parts expect to never have a drivetrain repair covered again. Some dealers are mod friendly but that is reallllllly rare. If you are going to mod you have to be willing to pay for it.

SSNIGHTMARE · 09-24-2008, 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gunslinger

Some of the members here need to spend some time over on LS1tech.com's Advanced Performance Forum...

MORE THAN A LITTLE TIME

headpunter · 09-24-2008, 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gunslinger

Some of the members here need to spend some time over on LS1tech.com's Advanced Performance Forum...

Quote:

Originally Posted by SSNIGHTMARE

MORE THAN A LITTLE TIME

better put thier flame suits on

09-22-2008, 04:46 PM	#1
okernan6.2 Drives: 00 Silverado Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 9	Headers on SS Will headers void the warranty for the SS? I am pretty sure an aftermarket cam will.

09-22-2008, 04:50 PM	#2
headpunter Not That sad..considering Drives: Man Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: the part of washington the capital forgot about. Posts: 3,747 View My Garage	only if they determine an exhaust problem caused what ever problem you need fixed with the warranty. good news is that the presentation at indy hinted at headers being available __________________ Stop Whinging

09-22-2008, 05:43 PM	#4
radz28 Petro-sexual Drives: Ultra-Grin Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Crazy Coast Posts: 15,186 View My Garage	I think in a round-about way, they could lead to problems that would be the result of adding them. For example: not all cars require PCM tuning in order to run long tubes (I'm assuming you mean long tubes LTs)) however so do because they'll over-compansate with to much fuel or won't compansate enough. Each of those conditions can result in different things and failures. Okay, I'll tune the PCM - no biggie. Well, I think if you get into the PCM (unless it's through a GMPP-specific flash program (which I have not heard or ever seen anything about)) you'll be changing parameters that GM has set when programming the car and therefore void your powertrain warranty. I don't see any othe headers being offered by GM except shorties, in order to remain CARB-legal (unless they don't consider them accessories and as performance parts) and if that's the case you probably won't need much tuning because shorties have not really given much performance gains over LTs in the past because they didn't effect exhaust flow as much as LTs. Sorry so long... The cam will - without a doubt in my mind (regardless of OEM or aftermarket) but I think you'll be asking for trouble, if you're worried about a warranty, unless you use anything outside of GMPP. JM.02. __________________ '20 ZL1 Black "Fury" A10, PDR, Exposed CF Extractor Magnuson Magnum DI TVS2650R // RFBG // Soler 103 // TooHighPSI Port Injection // THPSI Billet Lid // FF // Katech Drop-In // PLM Heat Exchanger // ZLE Cradle bushings // BMR Chassis-Suspension Stuff // aFe Bars // Diode Dynamics LEDs // ACS Composites Guards // CF Dash // Aeroforce // tint // other stuffs

09-22-2008, 06:03 PM	#5
headpunter Not That sad..considering Drives: Man Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: the part of washington the capital forgot about. Posts: 3,747 View My Garage	there was talk of GMPP having Shorties for the Camaro __________________ Stop Whinging

09-22-2008, 08:35 PM	#9
The_Blur Moderator Drives: 2018 Harley-Davidson Street Bob Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: San Diego Posts: 14,769	I'm going to have to post this more than Z28 rumor rebuttals. It's a law that protects your rights under warranty. You will not lose your warranty unless the new part specifically causes the old part to break. __________________ RDP Motorsport//GEN5DIY//Cultrag Performance//JPSS//Rodgets Chevrolet// Operation Demon//Buy at Invoice//RACECARWEAR RESPECT ALL CARS. LOVE YOUR OWN. warn 145:159 ban

09-22-2008, 06:38 PM	#6
JiXeR'z DoDgE/FoRd KiLLeR SSiCk MeMbEr!!! Drives: HeAviLy MoDDeD 2010 SS CaMaRo! Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: MeRRiLLviLLe, IN Posts: 233	It may void the warranty...but anyhow I'm pretty sure Kooks wiil have the best headers out for the CaMaRo

09-22-2008, 07:31 PM	#7
nester7929 Rice Harvester Drives: 2014 Bright Yellow 2SS/RS Join Date: May 2008 Location: Plainview, TX Posts: 1,449	Aren't headers only beneficial if you've done other stuff as well, like intake? You can't blow out what you're not taking in.

09-22-2008, 08:02 PM	#8
gunslinger Drives: 1998 Z28 M6 Join Date: May 2008 Location: Lake Forest, CA Posts: 254	Some of the members here need to spend some time over on LS1tech.com's Advanced Performance Forum...

09-23-2008, 09:30 AM	#10
radz28 Petro-sexual Drives: Ultra-Grin Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Crazy Coast Posts: 15,186 View My Garage	I won't make a big post because I don't want to repeat myself with a long thread that's boring nor seem like I'm following 'Blur around (seriously - I'm not ) but make no mistake that they will screwtinize any changes you make very carefully if your car has a problem. I know the law (okay, I don't know, but have a very general understanding) that you mean and think SEMA and some other aftermarket entities were fighting hard on legislation to protect customers with these laws. I'm just saying be careful with what you do with your car, because there are many ways to trace a problem to the cause. __________________ '20 ZL1 Black "Fury" A10, PDR, Exposed CF Extractor Magnuson Magnum DI TVS2650R // RFBG // Soler 103 // TooHighPSI Port Injection // THPSI Billet Lid // FF // Katech Drop-In // PLM Heat Exchanger // ZLE Cradle bushings // BMR Chassis-Suspension Stuff // aFe Bars // Diode Dynamics LEDs // ACS Composites Guards // CF Dash // Aeroforce // tint // other stuffs

09-23-2008, 09:55 AM	#11
AirGoya Drives: 2012 Camaro SS Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Chicago/Carbondale Posts: 815	Can someone explain the difference between shorties and long tube headers. I mean obviosly shorties are shorter but what do they do differently and why would this make GM offer shorties? __________________ -Tim

09-23-2008, 10:16 AM	#12
Mblock66 Drives: 2005 Subaru Legacy GT Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: NJ Posts: 312	SHorties are basically just the collector and then a flange. LT are the collector from each of the 4 cyl on each side and then they continue back to a new H or X pipe depending on the design, then either High Flow cats or no cats. As for the warrenty issues. The law is there but you will never win unless you have really deep pockets. I have been through this quite a few times so trust me. Dealers make more $ when you pay for a repair then if it is covered. With that said if they see an aftermarket part on the car they will usually do whatever they can to say that part increased the HP and original design of the car creating different conditions therefore whatever the failure is, it is not covered. Now we call know that a 3" exhaust will not cause an alternator to go, but since they know you need a new one and they can pull this kind of stupid explaination, YOU now have to take them to court over an alternator. It is never worth it and yes you lose every time. Unless your entire engine blows and it is a large expense item it is never worth it and dealers know this. So you will pay to play. If you mod with non warrentied parts expect to never have a drivetrain repair covered again. Some dealers are mod friendly but that is reallllllly rare. If you are going to mod you have to be willing to pay for it.

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