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Coop 2010 · 07-22-2009, 07:25 AM

This is no different than the smoking vehicle program.. I got called in because it was a cold morning, I was driving a restored older car that had a manual choke, it was not warmed up yet and it was putting out some black smoke everytime I shifted. Not like the 85 beretta that has no paint all dented and smoking all the time like a bond 007 car trying to get away...which is what the program is intended for. I got the letter in the mail and framed it. I thought it was hilarious that someone wasted there time to call it in...

coolman · 07-22-2009, 07:38 AM

I can't stand lazy hogs that have to litter our highways and have no respect ,but I have to agree with vash on this one. Now your a litterbug just because someone called your plate in without any kind of proof.

O2BQIK · 07-22-2009, 10:51 AM

I think the key here as phiz said is that you're not getting a ticket or being punished. Who cares if they DO keep the information so long as it doesn't result in you being charged with a crime, getting a ticket, insurance going up, etc? Now if any of that does happen, I would be very against a program where you are guilty based on some "witness" with no due process.

RobH · 07-22-2009, 05:58 PM

TxDOT is trying to distract everyone from all the toll roads they are planning to put up in the next few years. I see new signs all the time: Katy Freeway -- future toll road; SH 249 -- future toll road.

Chrisrp454 · 07-22-2009, 07:14 PM

This has been up for over a year, I use it for smokers like last summer and this when we had burn bans and they throw them out the window!

phiz118 · 07-23-2009, 01:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vash

The constitution provides for due process. This is a violation of that basic principle.

It's a chipping away of privacy and more towards a police state with less freedom and privacy. This is why it's a problem. If they can take an inch they will want a mile.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Constitution - Fifth Amendment

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury...

The fifth amendment gives you the right to due process if you are being deprived of life, liberty, or property (i.e. fined, jailed, etc...). In this case, they are not asking you to answer for the crime, just notifying you that you may have committed one. How are they depriving you of life, liberty or property? Or how are they violating the constitution?

Should they spend 2 million on this effort? IMO NO, I believe it to be a huge waste of money, but I don't see the due process angle.

bballr4567 · 07-23-2009, 02:23 AM

Isnt it also a huge waste of money to PAY inmates to clean up the roads as well? Sure, they dont make much but you still got to pay for all the logistics to get them to the roadside and all that.

BTW, Im from TX, born and raised but displaced now and will eventually make it back there. No greater state in the union!!!!

07-22-2009, 10:51 AM	#17
O2BQIK Drives: 1991 Camaro RS Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Dallas area Posts: 596	I think the key here as phiz said is that you're not getting a ticket or being punished. Who cares if they DO keep the information so long as it doesn't result in you being charged with a crime, getting a ticket, insurance going up, etc? Now if any of that does happen, I would be very against a program where you are guilty based on some "witness" with no due process. __________________ 2010 Camaro SS in black/beige: Sold. \| '91 Camaro RS: Still the dream car! '98 Camaro SS: Incon twin turbo. Sold \| '99 Camaro SS: Heads/cam/bolt-ons. Sold.

07-22-2009, 05:58 PM	#18
RobH Drives: 2010 IBM 1LT RS M6 Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Houston Posts: 121 View My Garage	TxDOT is trying to distract everyone from all the toll roads they are planning to put up in the next few years. I see new signs all the time: Katy Freeway -- future toll road; SH 249 -- future toll road. __________________ IBM 1LT RS M6

07-22-2009, 07:14 PM	#19
Chrisrp454 Drives: 2010 ABM 2SS/RS M6, 98Z28 M6 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Granbury, Tx Posts: 1,532 View My Garage	This has been up for over a year, I use it for smokers like last summer and this when we had burn bans and they throw them out the window! __________________ Always Remember! Rest in Peace Brothers 9/11/2001. And thanks to all those who defend and serve! Ordered 5/23/2009 3400 with TPW of 08/03/09 3800 8/11/2009 Arrived 8/21/2009 2SS/RS/Aqua Blue/Grey Interior

07-22-2009, 07:25 AM	#15
Coop 2010 Delivered 05/20/2009 Drives: Black 2010 2SS RS Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Allen, TX Posts: 330	This is no different than the smoking vehicle program.. I got called in because it was a cold morning, I was driving a restored older car that had a manual choke, it was not warmed up yet and it was putting out some black smoke everytime I shifted. Not like the 85 beretta that has no paint all dented and smoking all the time like a bond 007 car trying to get away...which is what the program is intended for. I got the letter in the mail and framed it. I thought it was hilarious that someone wasted there time to call it in...

07-22-2009, 07:38 AM	#16
coolman Guest Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: PA Posts: 4,812	I can't stand lazy hogs that have to litter our highways and have no respect ,but I have to agree with vash on this one. Now your a litterbug just because someone called your plate in without any kind of proof.

07-23-2009, 02:23 AM	#21
bballr4567 Drives: 2016 Camaro 1LT M6 Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Evansville, IN Posts: 1,256	Isnt it also a huge waste of money to PAY inmates to clean up the roads as well? Sure, they dont make much but you still got to pay for all the logistics to get them to the roadside and all that. BTW, Im from TX, born and raised but displaced now and will eventually make it back there. No greater state in the union!!!!