dealer shaved ya or not???

[Skylane765]

Know body will know what will be collectible in 30 40 years. If Chevy only made 1000 of anything it will be collectible in the long run in most cases. There were very little GTs made so that makes them what people want, if they make more at this time, that will drive the price right down the gutter of the older GTs
Also until the Z28 is bought, nobody knows what they are paying for it until they sign the sales slip. It's the total at time of sale that counts.

[Mikebrinda]

Originally Posted by Xlr8ion

If you really think a z28 will be a collectable like a Ford Gt your mislead.Ford Gt were made to commerate the racing cars of the 60s/70s they were legends.

While the Ford GT celebrates and commemorates a car that beat Ferrari, it was not the end of an era in 2005/6.

The 2014/15 Z/28 is the end of an era in automotive manufacturing. It is for this reason (and low production numbers) the Z/28 will, likewise, become a legend.

[Skylane765]

Originally Posted by Mikebrinda

While the Ford GT celebrates and commemorates a car that beat Ferrari, it was not the end of an era in 2005/6.

The 2014/15 Z/28 is the end of an era in automotive manufacturing. It is for this reason (and low production numbers) the Z/28 will, likewise, become a legend.

I am getting one, but do not think it will be worth more for a long long long time if that.
I hope you are right.

[Mikebrinda]

Originally Posted by Skylane765

I am getting one, but do not think it will be worth more for a long long long time if that.
I hope you are right.

The prime ingredient to the progress of limited production (not ultra-low) cars' appreciation is the state of the world economy. As the world economy goes, so goes the up or down-market timing of toy prices. But setting aside the timing, appreciation of this car is inevitable unless you believe the economy will never get back to where it once was.

[Skylane765]

There may be a 2016 Z28 that will drive the cost down.

[Mikebrinda]

Originally Posted by Skylane765

There may be a 2016 Z28 that will drive the cost down.

In the relative short term horizon we will eventually see a hybrid Z28 that outperforms every Z/28 ever built. But this is only the short term.

For example, when you drive a 60's era muscle car (which is to say a 40 year old machine,) a prominent word that surfaces would be, "slop" as in slop in the fit, slop in the finish, slop in the steering, slop in the seats, etc. But we love them all the more for it.

A collectible cars transcends performance alone. Such cars eventually get a free ride by their buyers on what can't do well, or at all. In a paradoxical way their value goes up based in part on what they are not, not what they are. They are memories of a time we will never see again.

This Z/28 is just such a car.

[mkorgan]

Originally Posted by Mikebrinda

In the relative short term horizon we will eventually see a hybrid Z28 that outperforms every Z/28 ever built. But this is only the short term.

For example, when you drive a 60's era muscle car (which is to say a 40 year old machine,) a prominent word that surfaces would be, "slop" as in slop in the fit, slop in the finish, slop in the steering, slop in the seats, etc. But we love them all the more for it.

A collectible cars transcends performance alone. Such cars eventually get a free ride by their buyers on what can't do well, or at all. In a paradoxical way their value goes up based in part on what they are not, not what they are. They are memories of a time we will never see again.

This Z/28 is just such a car.

Well said.

[2cnd chance]

Originally Posted by Xlr8ion

If you really think a z28 will be a collectable like a Ford Gt your mislead.Ford Gt were made to commerate the racing cars of the 60s/70s they were legends.

I agree the Ford GT40 (BTW my all time favorite car) is far above and beyond a Z/28, however if I change Ford GT to Z/28 in your comment it still applies. These Z/28's "were made to commerate the racing cars of the 60s/70s they were legends."

Originally Posted by Mikebrinda

While the Ford GT celebrates and commemorates a car that beat Ferrari, it was not the end of an era in 2005/6.

The 2014/15 Z/28 is the end of an era in automotive manufacturing. It is for this reason (and low production numbers) the Z/28 will, likewise, become a legend.

I agree the Z/28 name brings to mind the legends of Trans Am racing in the 60's & 70's. This Z/28 takes one back no different than the Ford GT does the GT40.

Ultra Rare

[2cnd chance]

Originally Posted by Mikebrinda

In the relative short term horizon we will eventually see a hybrid Z28 that outperforms every Z/28 ever built. But this is only the short term.

For example, when you drive a 60's era muscle car (which is to say a 40 year old machine,) a prominent word that surfaces would be, "slop" as in slop in the fit, slop in the finish, slop in the steering, slop in the seats, etc. But we love them all the more for it.

A collectible cars transcends performance alone. Such cars eventually get a free ride by their buyers on what can't do well, or at all. In a paradoxical way their value goes up based in part on what they are not, not what they are. They are memories of a time we will never see again.

This Z/28 is just such a car.

as we age memories become much more important.

[2cnd chance]

Originally Posted by Skylane765

There may be a 2016 Z28 that will drive the cost down.

Maybe in the short term, but even then not necessarily. Look at the history of many cars. Check out auctions.

[davidcroft]

I doubt anyone on this forum would admit to paying over MSRP, like others have said. Now here in Houston it's insane how many people have money and who tries to outbid who to have the first one on the block. '10 Camaro SS were 5K over and sold out. There's a line of people waiting to get their Z51 Stingray cars at 5k over MSRP. You can bet that the Z/28 will be north of 5k over MSRP down here in Houston, but the customers don't see it as a rip off. It is simply supply and demand. Too many people have $$ and want to be seen. Most of them aren't on this forum either. They know they can travel out of state and get one at MSRP, but they want the one in front of them now!

[Skylane765]

Originally Posted by davidcroft

I doubt anyone on this forum would admit to paying over MSRP, like others have said. Now here in Houston it's insane how many people have money and who tries to outbid who to have the first one on the block. '10 Camaro SS were 5K over and sold out. There's a line of people waiting to get their Z51 Stingray cars at 5k over MSRP. You can bet that the Z/28 will be north of 5k over MSRP down here in Houston, but the customers don't see it as a rip off. It is simply supply and demand. Too many people have $$ and want to be seen. Most of them aren't on this forum either. They know they can travel out of state and get one at MSRP, but they want the one in front of them now!

Yes, I agree. No one will admit to paying over and as we see no one has. There are many many owners that pay over for new cars, the first ZL1 in San Diego went for $15k over. Now you can get them under.
There are other issues in paying more than MSRP in that some do not want to bother looking around because they may use that time making more than the mark up.

[Mikebrinda]

Originally Posted by davidcroft

I doubt anyone on this forum would admit to paying over MSRP, like others have said. Now here in Houston it's insane how many people have money and who tries to outbid who to have the first one on the block. '10 Camaro SS were 5K over and sold out. There's a line of people waiting to get their Z51 Stingray cars at 5k over MSRP. You can bet that the Z/28 will be north of 5k over MSRP down here in Houston, but the customers don't see it as a rip off. It is simply supply and demand. Too many people have $$ and want to be seen. Most of them aren't on this forum either. They know they can travel out of state and get one at MSRP, but they want the one in front of them now!

Excellent point about Z/28 buyers and where they are, which is to say, they are sure not here. Another thread that asks for option info from those that have ordered has barely registered any feedback. If the more or less 500 2014 Z/28's have been sold, those buyers are missing out by not visiting here and learning from this community. Not judging anyone for choosing to ignore this board. Simply observing it is a missed opportunity and wondering if they even know this place exists?

[2cnd chance]

Originally Posted by Mikebrinda

Excellent point about Z/28 buyers and where they are, which is to say, they are sure not here. Another thread that asks for option info from those that have ordered has barely registered any feedback. If the more or less 500 2014 Z/28's have been sold, those buyers are missing out by not visiting here and learning from this community. Not judging anyone for choosing to ignore this board. Simply observing it is a missed opportunity and wondering if they even know this place exists?

That proved out in the uproar over the content and then with the expected and established pricing. Most of those on this Z/28 forum were Z/28 diehards. Many are average Joes not able to or willing to part with $75,000+ for their longtime desired car. This Camaro the Z/28 has moved up and on to a new customer base.