Torn between D1SC vs Whipple :( - Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums

Kosova · 02-14-2013, 07:44 PM

I am torn between the two. car is 2010 camaro ss with LT headers w/ cats and exhaust, everything else on the car is stock. This is a DD and looking to have a reliable fun car to drive. Never plan on taking this car to the track. Planning on going with stock pullies unless told otherwise. Ill list what id want for each build.

D1sc build:
-ECS 1500 base kit
-alky meth kit
-zl1 fuel pump

Whipple build:
-whipple 2.9l sc complete kit
-CAI for superchargers

Also for both builds i would also include..
-catch can
-zr1 3 bar map sensor
-zr1 spark plugs
-gauge pod + boost/afr gauges
-mgw sts w/ race knob

Any input would be appreciated!

Chris82xx · 02-14-2013, 08:14 PM

Couple of things, ECS uses a Paxton 1500, not a Procharger. I say that cause some others will point that out and are more partial to one over the other. I was originally going to go with a Whipple myself, but decided the ECS was better. You talk about not going to a smaller pulley. ECS is already equipped with the smallest pulley so you don't have to worry about that. What are goals?

Kosova · 02-14-2013, 08:24 PM

i meant the paxton, sorry for confusion. My previous goal was 700whp but then i decided to not have a cam installed because that would lead to other things being replaced like the injectors, bigger fuel pump ect.. Now i just want a car thats going to be a whole lot of fun while being very reliable. one reason im kind of leaning towards the ecs kit over the whipple is the power increase over rpm, where it matters instead of just burning rubber at low rpms. Id mostly being doing highway pulls more then ripping it from a standstill

Chris82xx · 02-14-2013, 08:39 PM

I can tell you from my experience that when I first got mine put on, it was just the S/C kit and the Alky kit. I was at 641wrhp. Headers put me where I'm at now at 684rwhp. The ECS kit, I'm sure you know by now, comes with upgraded injectors and a BAP, so I would put you in the 665+ range.

Kosova · 02-14-2013, 08:45 PM

that does sound very tempting. mind if i pm you some questions?

Chris82xx · 02-14-2013, 08:46 PM

Yea, no problem

jfayardiii · 02-15-2013, 09:04 AM

If you guys wouldn't mind, please continue the conversation online. I'd like to keep learning. I plan on do a SC this year and would like all the info possible.

Thank!

Chris82xx · 02-15-2013, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by jfayardiii

If you guys wouldn't mind, please continue the conversation online. I'd like to keep learning. I plan on do a SC this year and would like all the info possible.

Thank!

What kind of information are you looking for?

Applegarth · 02-15-2013, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Kosova

...one reason im kind of leaning towards the ecs kit over the whipple is the power increase over rpm, where it matters instead of just burning rubber at low rpms. Id mostly being doing highway pulls more then ripping it from a standstill

The power curves aren't THAT different honestly, not something that you should be worried about. Before the cam my car put down peak torque right around 4,500 RPM, with peak HP at redline. Whipple w/ headers, CAI and one size smaller pulley.

VanquisherSS · 02-15-2013, 11:49 AM

I would just like to second all the things Chris82xx has said. The ECS kit is a very complete kit that is an install and go type of it. Now depending on other mods you may already have you might want to upgrade the fuel pump as you said. If your gonna go with the ZL1 pump i'd get the FPCM from ADM Performance which will command the fuel pressure appropriately much better than a BAP.

Personally myself I think the ECS kit is great I don't feel you give up too much under the curve in comparsion to a PD blower. The kit is capable of making some awesome power as it is. I made 844whp/716wtq with the base kit, cam, fast 102 and supporting mods. Not bad for a base kit. I am also will be running an AEM Tru-Boost Controller on my setup to have a very streetable upper 500whp tune, maybe a high 600 low 700 tunes, and then of course full tilt at 844 or whatever it is after re-tuning. The boost controller will come in very handy later on I plan to be over 1000 soon enough.

Kosova · 02-15-2013, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by VanquisherSS

I would just like to second all the things Chris82xx has said. The ECS kit is a very complete kit that is an install and go type of it. Now depending on other mods you may already have you might want to upgrade the fuel pump as you said. If your gonna go with the ZL1 pump i'd get the FPCM from ADM Performance which will command the fuel pressure appropriately much better than a BAP.

Personally myself I think the ECS kit is great I don't feel you give up too much under the curve in comparsion to a PD blower. The kit is capable of making some awesome power as it is. I made 844whp/716wtq with the base kit, cam, fast 102 and supporting mods. Not bad for a base kit. I am also will be running an AEM Tru-Boost Controller on my setup to have a very streetable upper 500whp tune, maybe a high 600 low 700 tunes, and then of course full tilt at 844 or whatever it is after re-tuning. The boost controller will come in very handy later on I plan to be over 1000 soon enough.

As of now im definitely leaning towards the ecs kit. In the future i also plan on making those kinds of numbers. Also ill take that advice into consideration.

VanquisherSS · 02-15-2013, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Kosova

As of now im definitely leaning towards the ecs kit. In the future i also plan on making those kinds of numbers. Also ill take that advice into consideration.

My only other advice if you want to make big numbers is if your doing the fuel pump at least do a Dual-Pump Setup. I'm going with an LPE Twin with a Boost Referenced Regulator. Should be good to over a 1000whp. If you planning on going higher than 850 you won't make it there most likely with the novi 1500 from the base kit. I'm at the max rpm now making 15.3lbs. Past that your into YSI or something similar.

Kosova · 02-15-2013, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by VanquisherSS

My only other advice if you want to make big numbers is if your doing the fuel pump at least do a Dual-Pump Setup. I'm going with an LPE Twin with a Boost Referenced Regulator. Should be good to over a 1000whp. If you planning on going higher than 850 you won't make it there most likely with the novi 1500 from the base kit. I'm at the max rpm now making 15.3lbs. Past that your into YSI or something similar.

I meant 850 when i said "those numbers". I would think that anything past that isnt even streetable. I really dont want to have to use drag radials just so the car can hook. 850 is definitely the highest ill ever take it. Whats a good pump that can support that kind of power? i hear the lpe's are expensive.

East Coast Supercharging · 02-15-2013, 03:39 PM

Thanks guys!!

OP if we can also answer any questions don't hesitate to ask.

02-14-2013, 07:44 PM	#1
Kosova Drives: Supra searching :] Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Long Island, New York Posts: 92	Torn between D1SC vs Whipple :( I am torn between the two. car is 2010 camaro ss with LT headers w/ cats and exhaust, everything else on the car is stock. This is a DD and looking to have a reliable fun car to drive. Never plan on taking this car to the track. Planning on going with stock pullies unless told otherwise. Ill list what id want for each build. D1sc build: -ECS 1500 base kit -alky meth kit -zl1 fuel pump Whipple build: -whipple 2.9l sc complete kit -CAI for superchargers Also for both builds i would also include.. -catch can -zr1 3 bar map sensor -zr1 spark plugs -gauge pod + boost/afr gauges -mgw sts w/ race knob Any input would be appreciated!

02-14-2013, 08:14 PM	#2
Chris82xx Make your peace with God! Drives: 2011 Camaro SS/RS M6 Convertible Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Dirty Jersey Posts: 1,595	Couple of things, ECS uses a Paxton 1500, not a Procharger. I say that cause some others will point that out and are more partial to one over the other. I was originally going to go with a Whipple myself, but decided the ECS was better. You talk about not going to a smaller pulley. ECS is already equipped with the smallest pulley so you don't have to worry about that. What are goals? __________________ ECS base supercharger (NOVI 1500SL), ECS AlKY control kit, 92mm TB, ARH 1 7/8" LT's non-catted, Borla 3" exhaust, ID850 injectors, Squash fuel system, ECS Big Blower Cam, MGW short throw shifter, DSS 1000hp axles, LGW differential cover, billet caps, Tech AFX heater hoses, Pedders differential bushings, Eaton TrueTrac differential, PRC dual valve springs, Katech C5R timing chain, ATI balancer, Meilings oil pump, Pfadt Trailing Arms, Pfadt Tie Rods, Pfadt Sway Bars, Pfadt End Links, DSS Aluminum Driveshaft 811RWHP/719RWTQ UNDER MAJOR OVERHAUL!!

02-14-2013, 08:39 PM	#4
Chris82xx Make your peace with God! Drives: 2011 Camaro SS/RS M6 Convertible Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Dirty Jersey Posts: 1,595	I can tell you from my experience that when I first got mine put on, it was just the S/C kit and the Alky kit. I was at 641wrhp. Headers put me where I'm at now at 684rwhp. The ECS kit, I'm sure you know by now, comes with upgraded injectors and a BAP, so I would put you in the 665+ range. __________________ ECS base supercharger (NOVI 1500SL), ECS AlKY control kit, 92mm TB, ARH 1 7/8" LT's non-catted, Borla 3" exhaust, ID850 injectors, Squash fuel system, ECS Big Blower Cam, MGW short throw shifter, DSS 1000hp axles, LGW differential cover, billet caps, Tech AFX heater hoses, Pedders differential bushings, Eaton TrueTrac differential, PRC dual valve springs, Katech C5R timing chain, ATI balancer, Meilings oil pump, Pfadt Trailing Arms, Pfadt Tie Rods, Pfadt Sway Bars, Pfadt End Links, DSS Aluminum Driveshaft 811RWHP/719RWTQ UNDER MAJOR OVERHAUL!!

02-14-2013, 08:46 PM	#6
Chris82xx Make your peace with God! Drives: 2011 Camaro SS/RS M6 Convertible Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Dirty Jersey Posts: 1,595	Yea, no problem __________________ ECS base supercharger (NOVI 1500SL), ECS AlKY control kit, 92mm TB, ARH 1 7/8" LT's non-catted, Borla 3" exhaust, ID850 injectors, Squash fuel system, ECS Big Blower Cam, MGW short throw shifter, DSS 1000hp axles, LGW differential cover, billet caps, Tech AFX heater hoses, Pedders differential bushings, Eaton TrueTrac differential, PRC dual valve springs, Katech C5R timing chain, ATI balancer, Meilings oil pump, Pfadt Trailing Arms, Pfadt Tie Rods, Pfadt Sway Bars, Pfadt End Links, DSS Aluminum Driveshaft 811RWHP/719RWTQ UNDER MAJOR OVERHAUL!!

02-15-2013, 09:04 AM	#7
jfayardiii Drives: 2011 Silver 2SS/RS L99 Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Louisiana Posts: 191	If you guys wouldn't mind, please continue the conversation online. I'd like to keep learning. I plan on do a SC this year and would like all the info possible. Thank! __________________ 2011 2SS/RS L99 10.76@130.5 1.67 60' LG headers and exhaust, 3200 Yank, EPS Cam, D1SC Procharger, all work performed by Blanchard Performance

02-14-2013, 08:24 PM	#3
Kosova Drives: Supra searching :] Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Long Island, New York Posts: 92	i meant the paxton, sorry for confusion. My previous goal was 700whp but then i decided to not have a cam installed because that would lead to other things being replaced like the injectors, bigger fuel pump ect.. Now i just want a car thats going to be a whole lot of fun while being very reliable. one reason im kind of leaning towards the ecs kit over the whipple is the power increase over rpm, where it matters instead of just burning rubber at low rpms. Id mostly being doing highway pulls more then ripping it from a standstill

02-14-2013, 08:45 PM	#5
Kosova Drives: Supra searching :] Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Long Island, New York Posts: 92	that does sound very tempting. mind if i pm you some questions?

02-15-2013, 11:49 AM	#10
VanquisherSS Hasbin of Stock Bottom HP Drives: CTS-V Coupe, 04 TT Viper Join Date: May 2011 Location: NJ Posts: 2,561 View My Garage	I would just like to second all the things Chris82xx has said. The ECS kit is a very complete kit that is an install and go type of it. Now depending on other mods you may already have you might want to upgrade the fuel pump as you said. If your gonna go with the ZL1 pump i'd get the FPCM from ADM Performance which will command the fuel pressure appropriately much better than a BAP. Personally myself I think the ECS kit is great I don't feel you give up too much under the curve in comparsion to a PD blower. The kit is capable of making some awesome power as it is. I made 844whp/716wtq with the base kit, cam, fast 102 and supporting mods. Not bad for a base kit. I am also will be running an AEM Tru-Boost Controller on my setup to have a very streetable upper 500whp tune, maybe a high 600 low 700 tunes, and then of course full tilt at 844 or whatever it is after re-tuning. The boost controller will come in very handy later on I plan to be over 1000 soon enough.

02-15-2013, 03:39 PM	#14
East Coast Supercharging Drives: 8 second C5 Drag Car, C6 Road racer Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Cream Ridge, NJ 609-752-0321 Posts: 778	Thanks guys!! OP if we can also answer any questions don't hesitate to ask.