01-18-2008, 05:27 PM | #15 |
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either that or the company get fined heavily. Thanks georgie pie bush.
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01-18-2008, 08:54 PM | #16 |
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Every car doesn't have to average 35 mpg. The entire auto industry as a whole has to hit 35 mpg. So each model doesn't have to average that. Entire brands don't even have to average that. Not even whole manufacturers have to average that. Just the industry. So there will be plenty of sub-35 mpg cars and they won't necessarily be subject to to a gas-guzzler tax.
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wow that wasn't read... everyone has a small peice of the right information.. just not all of it. First you have to realize this is by 2020.. got 12 years to get there.. by then we are looking at the phased out gen 6 and drooling over the gen 7. Second, the 35mpg average is taken from an entire manufacturers lineup. IE, silverado 1500, 2500, HD, malibu, impala, beat, volt ect. added up and then devided by the number of models. Hence the Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) Third, the government did the same thing back in the 60's, did it kill V8's then? Nope, not gonna happen this time either. Personally I think a plug in variant like the volt (only on the tesla level) is more than feasible by 2020. Just 1 model in the lineup WAY over steps low (relitively) MPG of several models.. IE GM lineup without a plug in corvette 28MPG camaro 25mpg (EST) cobalt 28MPG silverado 1500 20mpg silverado hd 16 mpg Cafe - 23.4MPG GM linupe with a Plug-in corvette 28MPG camaro 25mpg (EST) cobalt 28MPG silverado 1500 20mpg silverado hd 16 mpg Volt - 99mpg (established due to NO fuel usage, aka Infinite mpg) Cafe - 36.0 MPG So by adding 1 count it ONE hybrid to the lineup RIGHT NOW GM can meet cafe and do as it pleases. Oh and yes I realize these numbers are not accurate, but it shows the concept of what happens in the REAL world. Edit: Oh and 1 more item to chew on... Quote:
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01-19-2008, 01:23 AM | #18 |
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^Excellent post.
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01-19-2008, 11:53 AM | #19 |
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01-20-2008, 03:37 PM | #20 |
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thats kinda stupid how it works, but ...whatever!
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01-21-2008, 12:21 AM | #21 |
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Well, for guys like us (those who LOVE V8's and serious power), it's great. It not only helps our economy, helps to save the environment, helps to keep more money in our own pockets, etc, etc, but, it helps us to keep our high horsepower V8's in our garages.
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01-21-2008, 01:39 AM | #22 | |
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Interview With GM's Lutz -- A Voice From The Other Side
I s'pose this fits in here.
Here's an article featuring Bob Lutz explaining a few ins-and-outs of the CAFE bill...and why it's going to potentially be expensive: Quote:
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01-21-2008, 02:09 AM | #23 | |
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I see his point. But, I do think that more engines will be built which can meet CAFE standards. Then, when you order your vehicle, you check the SC option under the engine packages. Technically, the car meets CAFE requirments before....only now, you just added another 150hp on your engine after the fact. But, that doesn't matter, because the car was built to "specs." Ok...this prolly won't work. But, it's worth a shot. |
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01-21-2008, 11:29 AM | #24 | |
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The simplest way to gain fuel economy is to make cars lighter. That means getting rid of alot of those power accesories and comforts. Then you use a less powerfull engine. So you end up with cars that weigh 2000 lbs and have 70 hp, with no comfort features. Sporty versions may get 100 hp!. Those will be the 'midsized' cars, others will get smaller still. And all will get obliterated by the SUV's, pickups, and even fullsized cars like the 300 that are going to dominate the roads for another decade. I know that they say the Smartcar is supposed to be very good in crashes. But to me, the laws of physics dictate that if you get hit by something that weighs 3x as much as you do, you need to absorb a very large amount of energy to avoid injury. Imagine playing football at full speed with full contact, against a 7 year old. The differance in mass dictates that when he hits you, you will probably feel it but it won't do anything to stop you. You hit him and he is going to get seriously injured. It is the same way with cars. A small car is more crash resistant in a single vehicle accident, but if it gets hit, game over.
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01-21-2008, 02:47 PM | #25 |
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Americans are never going to give up their cars nor are the all the sudden going to buy smaller cars they can't even fit their families into. It's not practical, maybe for the business but not the consumer, it's the latter that dictates the trends.
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Americans don't quite understand how small of a car they really can fit their family into. If gas prices hit European levels, they'll probably figure it out pretty quickly.
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01-21-2008, 04:17 PM | #27 |
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If gas prices do end up hitting European levels, our market will indeed end up looking very much like theirs. European cars are even expensive for Europeans, they're version of CAFE is 45mpg or something like that. Ridiculous. We need ethanol badly.
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01-21-2008, 04:20 PM | #28 |
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And we need the Volt, (and competitor's cars inspired by it) badly. THAT will ease a tremendous burden off of us. Imagine only filling up once a month....
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