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Sierra · 11-12-2008, 02:29 PM

Olds 442s
Buick Grand Nationals
Monte Carlo SS

The Chevy 454 SS truck?

I loved these 80s vehicles

GM had balls back in the day. At least they are growing a new pair back with the rebirth of the new Camaro.

dieseldave24v · 11-12-2008, 02:34 PM

I sure do, but I dont think it is fair to say GM lost its balls. I think it is fair to say that federal emisions regualtions chopped there balls off. Everyone will have a differnt opinion on this I am sure. The feds killed the cars we love not the manufactures!

headpunter · 11-12-2008, 02:38 PM

The sad thing is people cant see it and the car companies wont do anything about it. IT being CAFE, and how it does nothing to help the consumer. The Auto industry shouldnt need the 10 billion in loans to develop cars that are beyond what we have now. CAFE is wrecking the american auto industry and helping wreck the US economy while its at it.

Sierra · 11-12-2008, 02:42 PM

Ok take away the power, they also killed some of those vehicles with styling. New generation olds, chevy style for those models stunk. except the truck of course. Im biased on that. But this is just my opinion. i do miss those cars.

dieseldave24v · 11-12-2008, 03:18 PM

I could be way off here and I am sure I am, but maybe it had to do with more regulations for saftey and strength. It took years to be able to develope a good looking car that met all the saftey requirments. There is no factual information here, just a guess.

Kyle2k · 11-12-2008, 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dieseldave24v

I could be way off here and I am sure I am, but maybe it had to do with more regulations for saftey and strength. It took years to be able to develope a good looking car that met all the saftey requirments. There is no factual information here, just a guess.

And with safety comes weight, and with weight comes less mpg...Maybe we can find a way to blame this on SUV's (I despise most lol, plus the dumb people that drive them and don't use their blinkers, or mirrors) If a car didnt have to take a hit from the gagillion SUV's on the road the regs might be lower.

zebra · 11-12-2008, 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyle2k

And with safety comes weight, and with weight comes less mpg...Maybe we can find a way to blame this on SUV's (I despise most lol, plus the dumb people that drive them and don't use their blinkers, or mirrors) If a car didnt have to take a hit from the gagillion SUV's on the road the regs might be lower.

i've drove SUVs and trucks all my life (except the festiva for two months) and i've seemed to have only been hit by small cars. go figure.

Kyle2k · 11-12-2008, 05:06 PM

I trust people in trucks, the SUV population here however, are women that can't practically see over the steering wheel. Now I suppose I'm going to get shit from the women on the boards lol... My point however, is that the safety regs wouldn't be as high if it werent for heavy ass suv's, etc.

MLL67RSSS · 11-13-2008, 06:03 AM

Well I agree, and disagree. I owned for 16 years (and really miss) a blue '84 Monte Carlo SS. Now don't get me wrong, loved the car, especially it looks and is "old school" heritage. A body-on-frame rear drive V8 that was built to qualify the new aerodynamic nose for NASCAR racing just like the old days. I was also always impressed by it's handling, for a realtively large/tall car it was quite fun to toss it around.
Let's take a look back: 190 HP High Output L69 305, turbo 350 three speed auto, just under 8 sec. 0-60/just under 16 sec. Qtr mi. at about 95MPH, and 13 MPG around town/18 MPG highway. And BION it was one of the fastest cars in its day.
We've come a long way since then, and like it or not CAFE played a role in it. Given the proper incentives they delivered ~400 hp cars that can get near 30 MPG on the highway. Just about ANY vehicle with a V6 these days would blow the doors of my old Monte.

Sierra · 11-13-2008, 11:11 AM

Its just about walking down memory lane. To think all of the horses the new Camaro will put out with an mpg in the mid 20s. I think thats very sweet. I gm is in a money crunch right now but I for one cant wait to see what they put out in the future.

*DGthe3* · 11-13-2008, 08:28 PM

The late 70's and 80's were some of the most pathetic times for engines. Back then it was for emissions mostly. hopefully it wont be like that in 2020.

11-12-2008, 02:29 PM	#1
Sierra Drives: 2004 GMC Sierra SLT 4x4 Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Southern NJ Posts: 1,049	Remember Olds 442s Buick Grand Nationals Monte Carlo SS The Chevy 454 SS truck? I loved these 80s vehicles GM had balls back in the day. At least they are growing a new pair back with the rebirth of the new Camaro. __________________ On the 8th day God created the Camaro and all is good.

11-12-2008, 02:38 PM	#3
headpunter Not That sad..considering Drives: Man Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: the part of washington the capital forgot about. Posts: 3,747 View My Garage	The sad thing is people cant see it and the car companies wont do anything about it. IT being CAFE, and how it does nothing to help the consumer. The Auto industry shouldnt need the 10 billion in loans to develop cars that are beyond what we have now. CAFE is wrecking the american auto industry and helping wreck the US economy while its at it. __________________ Stop Whinging

11-12-2008, 02:42 PM	#4
Sierra Drives: 2004 GMC Sierra SLT 4x4 Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Southern NJ Posts: 1,049	Ok take away the power, they also killed some of those vehicles with styling. New generation olds, chevy style for those models stunk. except the truck of course. Im biased on that. But this is just my opinion. i do miss those cars. __________________ On the 8th day God created the Camaro and all is good.

11-12-2008, 05:06 PM	#8
Kyle2k LVL 50 Troll Stomper Drives: 2010 Camaro Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 3,463	I trust people in trucks, the SUV population here however, are women that can't practically see over the steering wheel. Now I suppose I'm going to get shit from the women on the boards lol... My point however, is that the safety regs wouldn't be as high if it werent for heavy ass suv's, etc. __________________

11-13-2008, 11:11 AM	#10
Sierra Drives: 2004 GMC Sierra SLT 4x4 Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Southern NJ Posts: 1,049	Its just about walking down memory lane. To think all of the horses the new Camaro will put out with an mpg in the mid 20s. I think thats very sweet. I gm is in a money crunch right now but I for one cant wait to see what they put out in the future. __________________ On the 8th day God created the Camaro and all is good.

11-12-2008, 02:34 PM	#2
dieseldave24v PowerStroke this Ford boy Drives: Like Don Garlits "Big Daddy" Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Richlands/Camp Lejeune NC Posts: 462	I sure do, but I dont think it is fair to say GM lost its balls. I think it is fair to say that federal emisions regualtions chopped there balls off. Everyone will have a differnt opinion on this I am sure. The feds killed the cars we love not the manufactures!

11-12-2008, 03:18 PM	#5
dieseldave24v PowerStroke this Ford boy Drives: Like Don Garlits "Big Daddy" Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Richlands/Camp Lejeune NC Posts: 462	I could be way off here and I am sure I am, but maybe it had to do with more regulations for saftey and strength. It took years to be able to develope a good looking car that met all the saftey requirments. There is no factual information here, just a guess.

11-13-2008, 06:03 AM	#9
MLL67RSSS Account Suspended Drives: car Join Date: May 2008 Location: location Posts: 1,574	Well I agree, and disagree. I owned for 16 years (and really miss) a blue '84 Monte Carlo SS. Now don't get me wrong, loved the car, especially it looks and is "old school" heritage. A body-on-frame rear drive V8 that was built to qualify the new aerodynamic nose for NASCAR racing just like the old days. I was also always impressed by it's handling, for a realtively large/tall car it was quite fun to toss it around. Let's take a look back: 190 HP High Output L69 305, turbo 350 three speed auto, just under 8 sec. 0-60/just under 16 sec. Qtr mi. at about 95MPH, and 13 MPG around town/18 MPG highway. And BION it was one of the fastest cars in its day. We've come a long way since then, and like it or not CAFE played a role in it. Given the proper incentives they delivered ~400 hp cars that can get near 30 MPG on the highway. Just about ANY vehicle with a V6 these days would blow the doors of my old Monte.

11-13-2008, 08:28 PM	#11
DGthe3 Moderator.ca Drives: 05 Grand Am GT Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Niagara, Canada Posts: 25,372	The late 70's and 80's were some of the most pathetic times for engines. Back then it was for emissions mostly. hopefully it wont be like that in 2020. __________________ Note, if I've gotten any facts wrong in the above, just ignore any points I made with them __________________ Originally Posted by FbodFather My sister's dentist's brother's cousin's housekeeper's dog-breeder's nephew sells coffee filters to the company that provides coffee to General Motors...... ........and HE WOULD KNOW!!!! __________________ Camaro Fest sub-forum

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