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Js2fst · 10-01-2016, 10:57 AM

Went to track last night on nitto 555r's and thinking things are good finally maybe the 7th set of axles would be key 1 set too short and broke were to long and too short. 1 year 3 months later I finally get car back missed sema last year.

1'st pass launch 3600 and bog and tried too run out door without shifting at end. So next pass I switch lanes. I launch at 4500 it spins I let out no wheel hop I get traction I floor it and drive shaft shop 1400 axle completely breaks in half. Also tires are 20's. Half the power. And blow up! 350 tow bill tow truck driver catches ground effects and tears off bumper. What a night. I learned lesson dss is still garbage and get a car hauler

2013 ZL1 #7860 · 10-02-2016, 06:13 PM

Hard to follow your post as written.

Perhaps your approach is too aggressive for the available parts?
20" nittos are hard and have no ability to absorb impact from launches.
High RPM launches aren't helping and not advised on a car driven to the track.
The suspension and bushing upgrades are helpful except that they further reduce the car's ability to absorb the launch impact and at some point a weak link will give out.
In this case the axles (7 times now?).

I would suggest you go to a Mickey Thompson (preferably the softest drag radial or better yet a slick) and in a smaller wheel size. This will absorb the impact of the launch and may allow the axles to live the way you are driving it?

Js2fst · 10-02-2016, 11:10 PM

The half shafts were all different sizes only one half shaft the driveshaft on a shift not a launch

Rockit_z28 · 10-08-2016, 06:54 AM

As mentioned above, you are being way to aggressive on the launch with crappy tires.

If you started out spinning, why would you then decide to floor it when you hooked? The suspension and drivetrain went from completely loaded to unloaded to loaded again and potentially at an angle depending if one wheel was hooked and the other spinning.

Is you car lowered on the coilovers or does it have lowering springs? This can severely impact the axle angle which is a manufacturing flaw on these cars to start with.

I have over a 500 passes on DSS parts with a lot more power and the only failure was a torn boot back in the early days. Not necessarily DSS fault as it could have happened during installation.

Of course, maybe your just that unlucky and keep getting every bad one or maybe someone does not know how to install them.

BFASTNOTLAST · 10-08-2016, 07:25 AM

Just going to leave this here for you to think about before you start bashing a vendor for a failure. I am lowered 1 1/4", I have STOCK axles and driveshaft, I'm on a 315/30/18 drag radial with very little sidewall and I launch at 5000 minimum. I don't break axles. I also 60' in the 1.50's M6 car.

What I'm getting at is, it's more than likely your technique that is hindering your success.

I have all the wrong things going for me from what the internet says and yet I have a way of making it all work. More than one way to skin a cat.......

Merc · 10-08-2016, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by BFASTNOTLAST

Just going to leave this here for you to think about before you start bashing a vendor for a failure. I am lowered 1 1/4", I have STOCK axles and driveshaft, I'm on a 315/30/18 drag radial with very little sidewall and I launch at 5000 minimum. I don't break axles. I also 60' in the 1.50's M6 car.

What I'm getting at is, it's more than likely your technique that is hindering your success.

I have all the wrong things going for me from what the internet says and yet I have a way of making it all work. More than one way to skin a cat.......

Your living a charmed life with with all those stock M6 parts. That being said I have pounded on DSS axels and driveshafts without a failure.

BFASTNOTLAST · 10-08-2016, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Merc

Your living a charmed life with with all those stock M6 parts. That being said I have pounded on DSS axels and driveshafts without a failure.

HA-HA Merc.... I know I'm on borrowed time, but for know it's working

*SSE 4 2SS* · 10-08-2016, 02:41 PM

I managed to dead hook my car at Lucas Oil on a 6,000 rpm launch, my DSS axles and nine inch never made a peep, though I twisted a 300M input shaft as well as the 300M main shaft...

I also run the 1400 hp axles in standing mile events throwing in excess of 2000 hp at them, with never an issue... I hate to say it but agreeing with the others I believe it's more of a technique (driver) or installation (installer) issue.

1LEric · 10-09-2016, 08:27 AM

Try slipping the clutch instead of dumping it

Js2fst · 10-14-2016, 02:40 PM

It was a 2-3 shift

Merc · 10-14-2016, 03:00 PM

I really don't know whats going on with your deal, but I launch at 4800 on a 2-step can't get more brutal then that on driveline parts. Although I have a 9" still have the same 1400 HP axels.

Merc · 10-14-2016, 03:03 PM

1 question do you remove the ABS fuse and relay? That's the only real way to turn the traction control OFF.

Quicksilver 1LE · 10-14-2016, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Merc

1 question do you remove the ABS fuse and relay? That's the only real way to turn the traction control OFF.

Merc, just last week I ran my car for the first time in a long time due to replacing the pumpkin because of failure. I launched my car on the first run and snapped the stock driver side axle. I didn't dump the clutch but it snapped the axle anyway, so after reading your comment you are saying even though I had traction control off I should have pulled the fuse? I'm trying to learn is why I'm asking. I'm used to old school track cars so I'm trying to learn the tricks of the computer cars.

Js2fst · 10-14-2016, 05:31 PM

Yes I am confused a little

10-01-2016, 10:57 AM	#1
Js2fst 2010 transformer Drives: 2010 ss camaro Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Lee's summit mo Posts: 591	Another dss failure Went to track last night on nitto 555r's and thinking things are good finally maybe the 7th set of axles would be key 1 set too short and broke were to long and too short. 1 year 3 months later I finally get car back missed sema last year. 1'st pass launch 3600 and bog and tried too run out door without shifting at end. So next pass I switch lanes. I launch at 4500 it spins I let out no wheel hop I get traction I floor it and drive shaft shop 1400 axle completely breaks in half. Also tires are 20's. Half the power. And blow up! 350 tow bill tow truck driver catches ground effects and tears off bumper. What a night. I learned lesson dss is still garbage and get a car hauler __________________ 2010 transformer, vertical doors, 315nt05 rears, pedders supercar coilovers, hotchkis sway bars, links, adjustable, toe bars, bmr poly cradle bushings, 1le control arms, bmr tunnel brace, bmr subframe connectors. Cam 227/239-623-620@114 Mast medium bore heads, sw 1 7/8 headers, cat delete, x pipe, 3" dynomax true duals, fuel rails, fast 102 intake and NW 102 throttle body, catch can, rotofab cai, shifter, raptor custom shift light. Dss drive shaft, 3.91 gears. 492 rwhp

10-02-2016, 11:10 PM	#3
Js2fst 2010 transformer Drives: 2010 ss camaro Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Lee's summit mo Posts: 591	The half shafts were all different sizes only one half shaft the driveshaft on a shift not a launch __________________ 2010 transformer, vertical doors, 315nt05 rears, pedders supercar coilovers, hotchkis sway bars, links, adjustable, toe bars, bmr poly cradle bushings, 1le control arms, bmr tunnel brace, bmr subframe connectors. Cam 227/239-623-620@114 Mast medium bore heads, sw 1 7/8 headers, cat delete, x pipe, 3" dynomax true duals, fuel rails, fast 102 intake and NW 102 throttle body, catch can, rotofab cai, shifter, raptor custom shift light. Dss drive shaft, 3.91 gears. 492 rwhp

10-08-2016, 06:54 AM	#4
Rockit_z28 www.1baddogracing.com Drives: 2010 IOM 2SS/RS Auto Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Indian Land, SC Posts: 998 View My Garage	As mentioned above, you are being way to aggressive on the launch with crappy tires. If you started out spinning, why would you then decide to floor it when you hooked? The suspension and drivetrain went from completely loaded to unloaded to loaded again and potentially at an angle depending if one wheel was hooked and the other spinning. Is you car lowered on the coilovers or does it have lowering springs? This can severely impact the axle angle which is a manufacturing flaw on these cars to start with. I have over a 500 passes on DSS parts with a lot more power and the only failure was a torn boot back in the early days. Not necessarily DSS fault as it could have happened during installation. Of course, maybe your just that unlucky and keep getting every bad one or maybe someone does not know how to install them. __________________ 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS Aqua Blue Metalllic (bolt-ons) 2020 Camaro 2SS/RS Satin Steel Metallic - Shock and Steel Edition 1 of 98 - A10 (bolt-ons) 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS IOM - 1,023 RWHP 813RWTQ (Previous Paxton Record Holder: 9.82@139) Built and Tuned by Heintz Racing Go: DSS 9", RPM Trans TH400, Carlyle Racing 15" Conversion, ECS Vortech YSI-B, Fore Fuel System, ID1700, Gall Racing 427 C.I LSX, Mast 285CC Heads, HR Custom Cam Show: Custom Painted Stripes/Badges (Orange Pearl over White), Z/TA Spoiler, VFN Hood, Weld Wheels http://www.HeintzRacing.com http://www.youtube.com/user/1baddogracing

10-08-2016, 07:25 AM	#5
BFASTNOTLAST Drives: 2012 SS LS3 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Denver NC Posts: 1,411 View My Garage	Just going to leave this here for you to think about before you start bashing a vendor for a failure. I am lowered 1 1/4", I have STOCK axles and driveshaft, I'm on a 315/30/18 drag radial with very little sidewall and I launch at 5000 minimum. I don't break axles. I also 60' in the 1.50's M6 car. What I'm getting at is, it's more than likely your technique that is hindering your success. I have all the wrong things going for me from what the internet says and yet I have a way of making it all work. More than one way to skin a cat....... __________________

10-08-2016, 02:41 PM	#8
SSE 4 2SS Boosted Moderator Drives: Bone Stock LS3 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Marion Tx Posts: 15,476	I managed to dead hook my car at Lucas Oil on a 6,000 rpm launch, my DSS axles and nine inch never made a peep, though I twisted a 300M input shaft as well as the 300M main shaft... I also run the 1400 hp axles in standing mile events throwing in excess of 2000 hp at them, with never an issue... I hate to say it but agreeing with the others I believe it's more of a technique (driver) or installation (installer) issue. __________________ If the car feels like it is on rails, you are probably driving too slow. -Ross Bentley Horsepower is how fast you hit the wall. Torque is how far you take the wall with you. “If everything seems under control, you're just not going fast enough.” Mario Andretti If you can turn, you ain't going fast enough...

10-02-2016, 06:13 PM	#2
2013 ZL1 #7860 Drives: 2013 ZL1 A6 #7860 Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: CO, USA Posts: 1,279	Hard to follow your post as written. Perhaps your approach is too aggressive for the available parts? 20" nittos are hard and have no ability to absorb impact from launches. High RPM launches aren't helping and not advised on a car driven to the track. The suspension and bushing upgrades are helpful except that they further reduce the car's ability to absorb the launch impact and at some point a weak link will give out. In this case the axles (7 times now?). I would suggest you go to a Mickey Thompson (preferably the softest drag radial or better yet a slick) and in a smaller wheel size. This will absorb the impact of the launch and may allow the axles to live the way you are driving it?

10-09-2016, 08:27 AM	#9
1LEric Drives: 2015 Camaro 1LE Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: NJ Posts: 152	Try slipping the clutch instead of dumping it

10-14-2016, 02:40 PM	#10
Js2fst 2010 transformer Drives: 2010 ss camaro Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Lee's summit mo Posts: 591	It was a 2-3 shift __________________ 2010 transformer, vertical doors, 315nt05 rears, pedders supercar coilovers, hotchkis sway bars, links, adjustable, toe bars, bmr poly cradle bushings, 1le control arms, bmr tunnel brace, bmr subframe connectors. Cam 227/239-623-620@114 Mast medium bore heads, sw 1 7/8 headers, cat delete, x pipe, 3" dynomax true duals, fuel rails, fast 102 intake and NW 102 throttle body, catch can, rotofab cai, shifter, raptor custom shift light. Dss drive shaft, 3.91 gears. 492 rwhp

10-14-2016, 03:00 PM	#11
Merc In The Circle Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SSRS IOM M6 Join Date: May 2009 Location: Abbotsford BC Canada Posts: 11,291	I really don't know whats going on with your deal, but I launch at 4800 on a 2-step can't get more brutal then that on driveline parts. Although I have a 9" still have the same 1400 HP axels. __________________ My Build Thread

10-14-2016, 03:03 PM	#12
Merc In The Circle Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SSRS IOM M6 Join Date: May 2009 Location: Abbotsford BC Canada Posts: 11,291	1 question do you remove the ABS fuse and relay? That's the only real way to turn the traction control OFF. __________________ My Build Thread

10-14-2016, 05:31 PM	#14
Js2fst 2010 transformer Drives: 2010 ss camaro Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Lee's summit mo Posts: 591	Yes I am confused a little __________________ 2010 transformer, vertical doors, 315nt05 rears, pedders supercar coilovers, hotchkis sway bars, links, adjustable, toe bars, bmr poly cradle bushings, 1le control arms, bmr tunnel brace, bmr subframe connectors. Cam 227/239-623-620@114 Mast medium bore heads, sw 1 7/8 headers, cat delete, x pipe, 3" dynomax true duals, fuel rails, fast 102 intake and NW 102 throttle body, catch can, rotofab cai, shifter, raptor custom shift light. Dss drive shaft, 3.91 gears. 492 rwhp