2010 Camaro Engine Line-Up Guess

[Dan]

Heres my guess:

260hp 4 cyl (if it gets offered at all)
304hp 3.6 v6
361hp 6.0 L76
402hp 6.2 LS3

Whether or not a 6.2 SC ever gets offered will depend on how it does the first couple of years.

[radz28]

My guesses aren't much different than has already been posted but I can't see why GM would offer both a 6.0 and 6.2, NA anyways. I could imagine that there could be a supercharged 6.2L but not an NA 6.2.

Regarding a SCd' 6.2, I was over at Digital Corvettes and saw an older post about someone allegedly at the Performance Build Center saying the LS9 hasn't been finalized yet because of problems. I wonder if this is why I haven't noticed confirmed LSA numbers too. Is GM having trouble with it's supercharged 6.2?...

[asrapid]

It's being long time since i've heard anything about Gen V engine..
I think in the begining there will be two V6 (with ~260 hp and 300 hp..no I4) and v8 (with 370 and 400+ hp). Later there will be some crazy 550+ hp version and basic engine will be replace with 4 cylinder turbocharged engine. V8 will be replaced by new gen. V.V8 with smaller displacement and same or higher HP.
Crazy version get power up.

[camaro5]

I found info on camaroZ28 forum where fbodfather was quoted as saying AFM will not work with manual trans.

Honda's new Accord with V6 has AFM if you get auto trans, no AFM with manual.

Bottom line:

Automatic trans Camaro V8's will have the L76

Manual trans Camaro V8's get the LS3

3.6L same thing...Auto trans gets afm - manual does not

The percentage overall of manual transmissions will be low by choice, preserving CAFE numbers.

If gas prices continue to rise - Camaro gets turbo 4cyl as well

Gas prices steady or down - no turbo 4cyl. available

fbodfather said $37000 V8 Camaro would bomb...

How much for V8, manual trans, mid-level Z28? Less than $37000?

Please tell me...

[radz28]

Originally Posted by camaro5

I found info on camaroZ28 forum where fbodfather was quoted as saying AFM will not work with manual trans.

Honda's new Accord with V6 has AFM if you get auto trans, no AFM with manual.

It seems like AFM and VVT are two different things mechanically it seems to me that it would be a waste of money to invest in a car two one engine for an auto' (L76) and one engine for a manual (LS3.) Why certify two engines when you could save money with using one? Assuming the statements that there are going to be six-speed autos' and manuals, why make that investment?...

Bottom line:

Automatic trans Camaro V8's will have the L76

Manual trans Camaro V8's get the LS3

3.6L same thing...Auto trans gets afm - manual does not

The percentage overall of manual transmissions will be low by choice, preserving CAFE numbers.

If gas prices continue to rise - Camaro gets turbo 4cyl as well

Gas prices steady or down - no turbo 4cyl. available

fbodfather said $37000 V8 Camaro would bomb...

How much for V8, manual trans, mid-level Z28? Less than $37000?

Please tell me...

I don't think the cars are going to need the diversity that truck platforms require (engine-wise) so I don't really thing they would have different engines only due to transmission choices. It makes sense, in my brain, that a T-4 would be a good base option, to cover the people who want economy first and performance second. Since the LS3 will work with A6s and M6s I think it will get the nod' for the "base" V8.

Father has already stated many times that Camaro should be in the same neighborhood as Mustang and that premium could mean $50, or something along those lines. I think we could see a mid-level V8 (i.e. Z28 OR SS) around that price, fully loaded, and a top-level V8 (i.e. Z28 or SS) about $40K +/-.

It's all speculation until Indy.

[GTAHVIT]

Originally Posted by NOODLESgoneWILD

(Z28) Dreamer! nothing but a dreamer! ^^^^^^^

Nothing like that in year 1 (2009)...maybe year 2! (2010) but best chance in year 3 (2011)...mark my words!

You never want to first out of the gate with your Top Dog...GM will wait to see what the unmentionables will do...and then come out and top them all...could we see a special edition LS9 (detuned 575HP) in year 3....who knows!


That's when Im buying!

Now I know I've said I'd wait.... But that doesn't mean I wouldn't like to see one in the first year.....

Shame on you.

[1BADZL1]

Originally Posted by jhitson

Maybe if we all concentrate hard enough, we can change reality and we will get a LS7 or equivilent.

If im not mistaken, I think I read somewhere on here the LS7 was ruled out already.
But don't hold me to that.

[LS9CamaroSS]

Originally Posted by radz282003

My guesses aren't much different than has already been posted but I can't see why GM would offer both a 6.0 and 6.2, NA anyways. I could imagine that there could be a supercharged 6.2L but not an NA 6.2.

Regarding a SCd' 6.2, I was over at Digital Corvettes and saw an older post about someone allegedly at the Performance Build Center saying the LS9 hasn't been finalized yet because of problems. I wonder if this is why I haven't noticed confirmed LSA numbers too. Is GM having trouble with it's supercharged 6.2?...

I don't know, but C&D did a report on the LSA in the Caddy CTS-V and they had some sort of confirmed numbers. One number was 550 HP. If the camaro gets this engine i think all the classes it graces with this engine will be blown away...

[NOODLESgoneWILD]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

Base I4 Turbo. 240-260 hp.

Mid-trim 300hp DI V6 w/AFM

SS 400hp LS3 w/ AFM.

EDIT: Limited quantity, Z28. (engine: Supercharged LS8 520-550hp.)

Originally Posted by NOODLESgoneWILD

(Z28) Dreamer! nothing but a dreamer! ^^^^^^^

Nothing like that in year 1 (2009)...maybe year 2! (2010) but best chance in year 3 (2011)...mark my words!

You never want to first out of the gate with your Top Dog...GM will wait to see what the unmentionables will do...and then come out and top them all...could we see a special edition LS9 (detuned 575HP) in year 3....who knows!


That's when Im buying!

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

I'll give you that. I didn't know this a guess for just the 1st year.
(btw, I like that song!)

Originally Posted by gtahvit

Now I know I've said I'd wait.... But that doesn't mean I wouldn't like to see one in the first year.....

Shame on you.

I'm right there with you guys!!!!...I'd love the opportunity to buy the Biggest Bad A$$ Camaro the first year of its release.

But if you've been a car fan for any length of time, you’d know they NEVER release the big boy in the first year.!

Marketing 101 says to wait until mid year two or first quarter of year 3 to release the “Big Dog” then taking all the competition to the ground! It’s like sex…got to have the foreplay before the finally. (well not really, but you know what it to mean)

Now I know everyone here wants the KILLER! And I hope everyone can afford it!...but I’m sure it will be a limited release and they WILL sell for over MSRP...Why, because some people "Just have to have it!" and don't care about pricing. I'm guessing the SPECIAL EDITION will cost 42k to 45K....it has too! As they say you pay for what you get....Big Bang...Big Bucks

Am I one of those guys...NO! But I don't want all of them to be snatched up by a bunch of wan-a-bee's.

So either way we have to pay over invoice to assure we have one for ourselfes...or wait a few more years and buy a used one...It's almost to much to comprehend and accept.... LORD take me now!!!!!

[radz28]

Originally Posted by LS9CamaroSS

I don't know, but C&D did a report on the LSA in the Caddy CTS-V and they had some sort of confirmed numbers. One number was 550 HP. If the camaro gets this engine i think all the classes it graces with this engine will be blown away...

I've seen that number too but, like the LS9, it was 550+... 550 still sounds good to me though, and I totally agree that this would be a great candidate if we can't get the LS9. I think there are too many $$$ things on the LS9 so I'm not even really considering it as a possiblity, but one never knows...

[Roflmao]

I think we are going to see something new.... with fbodfather saying forget what we know about engines. All this other stuff is good too though.

[camaro5]

Originally Posted by NOODLESgoneWILD

...It's almost to much to comprehend and accept.... LORD take me now!!!!!

LOL - I know what you mean

[Mythic]

http://media.gm.com/us/gm/en/news/ev...Powertrain.htm

Targeting 550 horsepower (410 kW) and 550 lb.-ft. of torque (745 Nm) – final SAE certified power levels will be available in early April 2008 – the CTS-V’s new LSA engine will be the most powerful ever offered in Cadillac’s nearly 106-year history. It is based on GM’s legendary small-block V-8 architecture and features an intercooled supercharger system, premium heat-resistant aluminum-alloy cylinder heads and numerous details designed to ensure the LSA makes its power as quietly and smoothly as possible.

[theholycow]

Originally Posted by Slave One

IIRC, for paddle shifters in GM cars, its still an automatic, but the paddles tell the computer, which tells the automatic to shift...

Now in something like a Lamborghini, I think it is actually a full blown automated manual...

hope I'm makin sense

Yes, you are making sense. Paddle shifters are just controls. You can have a steering wheel, that doesn't mean you have rack-and-pinion steering. You can have a volume knob, that doesn't mean you have a separate amp. Well, you can have paddle shifters, that doesn't tell you whether you've got a traditional automatic or a newfangled automated manual.

The Lambo, lots of other high-end cars, and lots of German cars, have automated manual transmissions. For some years now there's been the SMG (Sequential Manual Gearbox), which I think is just a manual transmission operated by servos commanded by the computer. Then there's the DSG (Dual Sequential Gearbox) in the VW GTI, which is actually TWO automated manual transmissions. One has odd-numbered gears, the other has evens. The computer has one engaged, and the other is already in the next gear waiting for the computer to dump the clutch, so expected upshifts happen in some insanely short time like 8 milliseconds.