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Old 03-07-2013, 05:45 PM   #57
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2010-12 L99 were turds stock. With a tune they are wayyyyy better.

Anyway, I've seen pic of that Camaro here not long ago. Maybe I can find him. You Charger runs and looks great!!
A tune on the L99 makes it a lot faster. My friends was a slug in stock form he only ran a 13.5@105
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Old 03-07-2013, 07:30 PM   #58
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Old 03-07-2013, 08:06 PM   #59
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2010-12 L99 were turds stock. With a tune they are wayyyyy better.

Anyway, I've seen pic of that Camaro here not long ago. Maybe I can find him. You Charger runs and looks great!!
So how close is the gap now between L99's and LS3's? The GXP G8 auto's were quicker than the 6 speeds although both did have LS3's.
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Old 03-07-2013, 08:12 PM   #60
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Edmunds have the base price and stats on the following

2012 charger srt8 $46,620 price 0-60 4.6sec quarter mile 12.8
2012 challenger srt8 392 $44,680 price 0-60 4.5sec quarter mile 12.6
2012 Camaro 1le $37,035 price 0-60 4.3sec quarter mile 12.7


I can go on. with the aftermarket $=speed. and dodge is ridiculous in sales of pony cars the last 4 years, and u can see why. there can be 1000 you tube videos of them beating us or us beating them.

I don't have to state the obvious for the conclusion. u wanna go fast in a straight line for cheap, get a mustang. u wanna go fast for cheap in a straight line and around turns, get a Camaro. wanna spend way too much and not do either...get a dodge. lol. (minus a viper)
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Old 03-07-2013, 09:02 PM   #61
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I never raced anyone stock but I can say once my car had LT headers, tune and a CAI I never lost to a 6.1 SRT regardless of mods. I will agree that a 6.1 SRT is faster than a L99 in stock form but I ordered and bought my 2010 L99 brand new for 30k, MSRP was a little over 33k. There is no way I could have got a SRT for under 40k and I shopped all 3 brands. I could have got a RT for the price of my L99 but that car is a joke by comparison. Even if and its a BIG IF the SRT is faster than the SS LS3 or L99 its the RT that is the SS's competition not the SRT. We only compare the SS and SRT because they are so close in performance and all agree that the RT is no match for a SS even though its in the same price class.
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Old 03-07-2013, 09:51 PM   #62
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So where magazine racing times now? and you pick the fastest time you can find for the SS lol typical.
Show me another validated test between the two verified stock vehicles, same track, same day, same conditions, same driver. Magazine tests are not ideal but they are better able to identify performance differences by eliminating many of the variables involved.

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And you pick a challenger of all SRT8's which runs the slowest times in the mags.
The Challenger is the natural competitor to the Camaro (and Mustang). Does it not ride on the same platform, share the same engine, transmission and weight as the Charger? When InslideLinetested the 6.4L in both cars the Challenger had the advantage. Was the 6.1L detuned or something in the Challenger?


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Lets be realistic here plenty of stock 6.1's have ran high 12's at 110 so lets not make things up. Bottom line the 6.1 and the SS are a drivers race period I have seen and done it enough times to know that.
If you call 3/10ths and 4mph a "drivers race" then sure.

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Sorry I live off reality and the strip not a magazine. My car ran 12.9@109 bone stock 2 days after buying it and leaving TC on. So no the SS doesn't have a 4mph advantage.
Oh? And what time did the bone stock Camaro SS you drove that night run? Same track, same conditions, same day, same driver? What was the time?

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300 SRT8 - 13.2 @ 109
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Motor Trend: SS 13.1 sec @ 110.8 mph
Car and Driver:SS 13.0 sec @ 111 mph
Road & Track: SS 13.0 sec @ 110.7 mph (0-120 mph: SS 15.4 sec)
Inside Line: SS 13.1 sec @ 110.4 mph

The SS is simply faster than the 6.1L all things being equal.

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and the fastest bone stock time out of a 6.1 is 12.5@112 at atco back in 05.
And what did the hero run in the bone stock Camaro SS look like that night with the same driver?

I won't even speak of the 6.1L Challenger/Charger's track performance. Let's just say the Mazdaspeed3 is faster around VIR
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Old 03-07-2013, 10:02 PM   #63
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Car and driver got a 12.6@115mph !!! This is badass!! It was the Super Bee Charger SRT (lighter by 100lbs, no nav, stereo, leather and cheaper wheels and shock).

Tomorrow I'm getting a price quote on a 2013 Super Bee SRT8..It should be around 42000$(cad), which is equal to a 1LE 1SS with NPP exhaust(no zero option). That is a sweet deal for a 12sec car which is very close to the ZL1 in straight line performance.

This would be a tough choice for a DD...

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Our test car did the 0-to-60-mph dash in 4.2 seconds, 0-to-100 in 9.8, and the quarter-mile in 12.6 at 115 mph. Those numbers are a significant improvement over those of the last Charger SRT8 we tested; that car hit those same marks in 4.6 and 11.0, respectively, covering the quarter in 13.1 at 110.

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Old 03-07-2013, 10:05 PM   #64
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Except in the real world, it doesn't always work out that way. My friend SRT8 Charger was running 13.2-13.5 @ 105-106 mph, while 4 other 5th gen Camaro SS's were doing 13.4-13.8 @ 103-106 mph.

I found a vid of one of them.
You're right, because not all drivers are equal. What ESARETEE8 keeps suggesting is that the cars are equal, and that the better driver will make the difference. In reality, the same driver under the same conditions will be faster in the SS. In ESARETEE8 mind, a L99 with a poor factory tune and bad gas will be slower than the 12.5 sec hero run in a "stock Charger" by some guy at Atco in 2006

Forgive me if I don't rely on a YouTube video posted by an unverified source of "bone stock" cars with drivers of identical skill.
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Old 03-07-2013, 10:12 PM   #65
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Like I said 6.1 vs L99 or LS3 its a drivers race period. The SRT8 falls basically in between but close enough to the LS3 to make it a drivers race. A drivers race meaning on the street either could win. Both LS3 and SRT8 have been in the 12's stock at the same mph so the proof is in the slips.
You can think/wish/dream it were true but in reality it simply is not so. The old 6.1L Charger was what 10lb/hp and came with 255's out back? SS>6.1L all day.
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I never raced anyone stock but I can say once my car had LT headers, tune and a CAI I never lost to a 6.1 SRT regardless of mods. I will agree that a 6.1 SRT is faster than a L99 in stock form but I ordered and bought my 2010 L99 brand new for 30k, MSRP was a little over 33k. There is no way I could have got a SRT for under 40k and I shopped all 3 brands. I could have got a RT for the price of my L99 but that car is a joke by comparison. Even if and its a BIG IF the SRT is faster than the SS LS3 or L99 its the RT that is the SS's competition not the SRT. We only compare the SS and SRT because they are so close in performance and all agree that the RT is no match for a SS even though its in the same price class.
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Old 03-08-2013, 12:47 AM   #67
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You can think/wish/dream it were true but in reality it simply is not so. The old 6.1L Charger was what 10lb/hp and came with 255's out back? SS>6.1L all day.
I dont have to wish or hope or think anything I know the facts. Regardless of the BS you spit. Show me proof of what you say. Oh yea thats right you cant because your delusional about 2 cars that run the exact same times in stock trim. Here let me start for you....like I said drivers race you can think what you want sitting behind your computer. But I race year round I don't run my mouth about what I cant prove. We have had 5th Gen/ SRT8 meets at our strip twice and its proven these cars are a drivers race.

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Old 03-08-2013, 01:05 AM   #68
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You can think/wish/dream it were true but in reality it simply is not so. The old 6.1L Charger was what 10lb/hp and came with 255's out back? SS>6.1L all day.
And a few more...Ill wait for you to say "it simply is not so" LOL since you know so much.

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12.6@110 (Atco run) but not a record run
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Old 03-08-2013, 01:12 AM   #69
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You can think/wish/dream it were true but in reality it simply is not so. The old 6.1L Charger was what 10lb/hp and came with 255's out back? SS>6.1L all day.
Oh and since you asked this is exactly what my friends LS3 ran the same night as me.

Me: intake, catback, tune
him (LS3): intake, catback, tune

Me: 8.28@88.1
him: 8.30@87.6

we were door to door at the strip just like we were on the street.




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Old 03-08-2013, 02:00 AM   #70
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Don't sweat these guys, most on these forums are so close minded... I've owned 2 SRT8 (6.1) jeeps, one stock and the other with all bolt ons including LT's. I have seen 6.1's (300's and Chargers) with intake and tunes run 110 traps at ETown pretty consistantly...

I love my SS and know that it isn't the fastest car out there. But to be honest i don't care... I chose a small cam for my build to yield a faster car with great street maners.

You will never connvince a camaro forum that your car is equal to those here, so just accept it and enjoy your ride with friends that might share your automotive enthusiasm...
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