Removing Centering Springs from Stock V6 Manual Shifter - Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums

autobotaz · 08-10-2010, 09:15 AM

Just something I was curious about. I was thinking about getting a Barton Short Shifter and notcied that on the V6 instructions you have to remove the centering springs to remove the stock shifter from the vehicle. It is stated as optional to reinstall the springs.

I was wondering if I just removed the springs from the stock shifter what that would do to the overall feel of the stock shifter.

Thanks

autobotaz · 08-10-2010, 12:43 PM

Guess I may be the experiment then!

Rogue Leader · 08-10-2010, 12:45 PM

when not in gear it would flop to the left or right, you would also have to make extra sure when going from gate to gate you have it in the right spot otherwise you will be going from 2 to 1 instead of 2 to 3. The springs help to make sure you have the shifter exactly where you want it.

autobotaz · 08-10-2010, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Rogue Leader

when not in gear it would flop to the left or right, you would also have to make extra sure when going from gate to gate you have it in the right spot otherwise you will be going from 2 to 1 instead of 2 to 3. The springs help to make sure you have the shifter exactly where you want it.

Thats what I figured, so how is it optional to put these back on with the hurst or barton short shifters???

Rogue Leader · 08-10-2010, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by autobotaz

Thats what I figured, so how is it optional to put these back on with the hurst or barton short shifters???

Because you have to take it apart anyway.... some people like them removed, they don't negatively affect the operation of the shifter per say, but IMHO its a dumb idea.

autobotaz · 08-10-2010, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Rogue Leader

Because you have to take it apart anyway.... some people like them removed, they don't negatively affect the operation of the shifter per say, but IMHO its a dumb idea.

Yeah thinking I will just leave them be for now.

11flat · 08-10-2010, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Rogue Leader

when not in gear it would flop to the left or right, you would also have to make extra sure when going from gate to gate you have it in the right spot otherwise you will be going from 2 to 1 instead of 2 to 3. The springs help to make sure you have the shifter exactly where you want it.

Have you ever even installed a shifter on your car?
The springs do not make that much of a difference. The shifter will not flop around. Ive installed 2 shifters on V6 cars and left the springs out on both of them. The springs just give the shifter a little more pop to help with the 2-3 shift, but with a short throw the 2-3 shift becomes so much easier because of reduced travel, that its not a big deal to leave them out. Its just a preference as to what YOU like the feel of.
The V8 has the same exact setup as the V6, but has no springs. This is because the Tremec has a little more pop then the Aisin trans.
Hope this helps.

*SSE 4 2SS* · 08-10-2010, 03:02 PM

I've not tried the factory shifter in the V-6, but I did go from the relatively weak factory springs to the overly tight (initially) springs in the MGW shifter. At first I was a little worried about them but as told me by the manufacturer, they did loosen up. What an amazing difference.

No, I'm not trying to sell you on a different shifter... I'm just trying to make a point that the springs do help the feel of the drive. Anything that helps to improve the gate to gate transition has got to be a bonus.

Personally, if it was me, I would put the springs back in with the new shifter. If stiffer springs made this big a difference, (improved throw and greater confidence in hitting the proper gate) I can't imagine how bad it would have been to drive without any springs at all...

This is strictly my opinion...

11flat · 08-10-2010, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by SSE 4 2SS

I've not tried the factory shifter in the V-6, but I did go from the relatively weak factory springs to the overly tight (initially) springs in the MGW shifter. At first I was a little worried about them but as told me by the manufacturer, they did loosen up. What an amazing difference.

No, I'm not trying to sell you on a different shifter... I'm just trying to make a point that the springs do help the feel of the drive. Anything that helps to improve the gate to gate transition has got to be a bonus.

Personally, if it was me, I would put the springs back in with the new shifter. If stiffer springs made this big a difference, (improved throw and greater confidence in hitting the proper gate) I can't imagine how bad it would have been to drive without any springs at all...

This is strictly my opinion...

Just an FYI your car had no springs in it from the Factory. The V8's dont use springs.

*SSE 4 2SS* · 08-10-2010, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by 11flat

Just an FYI your car had no springs in it from the Factory. The V8's dont use springs.

That being the case, then I certainly recommend putting the springs back in... My factory shifter, (no offense to Chevy or the Camaro fan boys) sucked...

cshaw2049 · 08-10-2010, 03:49 PM

I have the Barton shifter and did not put the spring back in. No problems here. Love the shifter!

blaSSt · 08-10-2010, 04:07 PM

I did it too. No problems.

Rogue Leader · 08-10-2010, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by 11flat

Have you ever even installed a shifter on your car?
The springs do not make that much of a difference. The shifter will not flop around. Ive installed 2 shifters on V6 cars and left the springs out on both of them. The springs just give the shifter a little more pop to help with the 2-3 shift, but with a short throw the 2-3 shift becomes so much easier because of reduced travel, that its not a big deal to leave them out. Its just a preference as to what YOU like the feel of.
The V8 has the same exact setup as the V6, but has no springs. This is because the Tremec has a little more pop then the Aisin trans.
Hope this helps.

I haven't installed one in THIS car but I have installed many in other cars. What I said is true, it does keep things in place, and I personally prefer the feel being that I have and drive many older vehicles that don't do this. In some cars the shifter does flop a bit when in neutral or just hangs in whatever place you left it. My VW race car is a perfect example. Is it a problem for me? No. Would I prefer something that would center it? Yes.

Thrillz · 08-10-2010, 11:24 PM

I installed the shifter without the springs i really hated it. It really is a personal thing how you like the feel of it. You will know right away if u like them with or without.

08-10-2010, 09:15 AM	#1
autobotaz Drives: Black 2010 Camaro LS Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: ARIZONA Posts: 173	Removing Centering Springs from Stock V6 Manual Shifter Just something I was curious about. I was thinking about getting a Barton Short Shifter and notcied that on the V6 instructions you have to remove the centering springs to remove the stock shifter from the vehicle. It is stated as optional to reinstall the springs. I was wondering if I just removed the springs from the stock shifter what that would do to the overall feel of the stock shifter. Thanks

08-10-2010, 12:45 PM	#3
Rogue Leader Iatefiberglassinsulation Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS M6 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Long Island Posts: 3,601 View My Garage	when not in gear it would flop to the left or right, you would also have to make extra sure when going from gate to gate you have it in the right spot otherwise you will be going from 2 to 1 instead of 2 to 3. The springs help to make sure you have the shifter exactly where you want it. __________________ 2010 Chevrolet Camaro SS - was daily driver, now toy 2020 Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio - Daily Driver 2017 Mercedes Benz GLE 350 - Wifes Car 2008 Chevy Silverado 2500 HD LT 6.0 - Tow Vehicle 1991 Alfa Romeo 164S - Project Car 1994 Volkswagen Golf - Race Car "Like" my race team on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/farfrumwinnin

08-10-2010, 03:02 PM	#8
SSE 4 2SS Boosted Moderator Drives: Bone Stock LS3 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Marion Tx Posts: 15,491	I've not tried the factory shifter in the V-6, but I did go from the relatively weak factory springs to the overly tight (initially) springs in the MGW shifter. At first I was a little worried about them but as told me by the manufacturer, they did loosen up. What an amazing difference. No, I'm not trying to sell you on a different shifter... I'm just trying to make a point that the springs do help the feel of the drive. Anything that helps to improve the gate to gate transition has got to be a bonus. Personally, if it was me, I would put the springs back in with the new shifter. If stiffer springs made this big a difference, (improved throw and greater confidence in hitting the proper gate) I can't imagine how bad it would have been to drive without any springs at all... This is strictly my opinion... __________________ If the car feels like it is on rails, you are probably driving too slow. -Ross Bentley Horsepower is how fast you hit the wall. Torque is how far you take the wall with you. “If everything seems under control, you're just not going fast enough.” Mario Andretti If you can turn, you ain't going fast enough...

08-10-2010, 04:07 PM	#12
blaSSt Drives: 98 SS, 15 COPO, 09 ZR1 Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 442 View My Garage	I did it too. No problems. __________________ On the internet - Anything is possible, especially when you don't know what you are talking about.

08-10-2010, 11:24 PM	#14
Thrillz Drives: 2019 Dodge Daytona R/T Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Ontario Posts: 2,572	I installed the shifter without the springs i really hated it. It really is a personal thing how you like the feel of it. You will know right away if u like them with or without. __________________ Quote of the year, from 6.1hemi: "I just wanted to type some junk cause I am having some beers and I really like cars."

08-10-2010, 12:43 PM	#2
autobotaz Drives: Black 2010 Camaro LS Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: ARIZONA Posts: 173	Guess I may be the experiment then!

08-10-2010, 03:49 PM	#11
cshaw2049 Drives: 2010 Camaro 2LT / RS M6 ABM Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Escondido, CA Posts: 136	I have the Barton shifter and did not put the spring back in. No problems here. Love the shifter!

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