40th Anniversary Edition SS

[blaSSt]

8.20 in 1/8 equals about 12.87 in the 1/4. Many stock LS1 Camaros have gone that fast. (If it was 8.29 that equals about 13.01)

[S8ER01Z]

8.5 ~ 8.6 is cake (in fact if you can't pull that off turn over your keys to someone else)... with a 1.8x or 1.9x I could see 8.2~8.4.... I would guess the car has at least stickier tires on it though. Drag Radials would produce 1/8th ETs that low easily on an otherwise untouched car.

[tones2SS]

Originally Posted by Paperer

What is so unbelievable about an 8.2 in the 1/8?

I've edited this so many times, but: http://www.dragtimes.com/Chevrolet-C...lip-17705.html

Oh, it was the 1/8?
I thought he was talking 1/4??

[7CAMARO7]

mine is a 40th annv.

[redracer1]

lol. 35th's were the last, appearance package mostly some opted for the SLP/CME but you could get that on any SS. We could roll a 8.2 in the 1/8th no prob. with a good 60ft. There are the LE/PE edition packages from GMMG Level 1 385hp, 2.435hp all the way up to level 4 600hp 427.

[brandotron]

Originally Posted by a_Username

Yeah I know... I felt so stupid for saying that. 1967+40=2007; Really a friend told me it was a 40th anniversary and I didn't think anything about it lol.

Thanks because this guy was running 8.2's and was saying it's stock.

The checkered flag racing stripes make it faster

[redracer1]

Originally Posted by brandotron

The checkered flag racing stripes make it faster

Damn straight

[7CAMARO7]

Originally Posted by redracer1

lol. 35th's were the last, appearance package mostly some opted for the SLP/CME but you could get that on any SS. We could roll a 8.2 in the 1/8th no prob. with a good 60ft. There are the LE/PE edition packages from GMMG Level 1 385hp, 2.435hp all the way up to level 4 600hp 427.

did you know the "level 1" gmmg cars were basically a stock SS or z28 with nothing but a lid and catback added? They rated them at 375hp. Lets you know how much under rated these cars were from the factory.

I actually think all those gmmg cars were all z28s to begin with. Ever been in their shop? They have a million z28 badges around the walls. I think they came off the cars they converted.

My car came with cme and no upgraded lid and was rated at 335 instead of stock ss rating of 325 or the z28's 315( an ls1 is an ls1 is an ls1 btw). Some came with a better lid and cme/dual dual and were rated at 345. Funny how the slp cars with a lid and catback were rated at 345 and the same mods on a gmmg car were rated at 375. Ever notice that?

I rode in a 600+hp dick harrell last year The pres of gmmg took me for a ride in it and it made my day

and I don't know about silver stripes, but you might better watch out for lpm convertible SSs you can ask that mustang that had a whine coming from under the hood I "came across" today

[MustangKillr]

^
Nice!

[S8ER01Z]

Originally Posted by 7CAMARO7

did you know the "level 1" gmmg cars were basically a stock SS or z28 with nothing but a lid and catback added? They rated them at 375hp. Lets you know how much under rated these cars were from the factory.

I actually think all those gmmg cars were all z28s to begin with. Ever been in their shop? They have a million z28 badges around the walls. I think they came off the cars they converted.

My car came with cme and no upgraded lid and was rated at 335 instead of stock ss rating of 325 or the z28's 315( an ls1 is an ls1 is an ls1 btw). Some came with a better lid and cme/dual dual and were rated at 345. Funny how the slp cars with a lid and catback were rated at 345 and the same mods on a gmmg car were rated at 375. Ever notice that?

I rode in a 600+hp dick harrell last year The pres of gmmg took me for a ride in it and it made my day

and I don't know about silver stripes, but you might better watch out for lpm convertible SSs you can ask that mustang that had a whine coming from under the hood I "came across" today

Which is why my '310hp' LS1 Z28 made 322rwhp with a simple intake mod. Go GM!!

[WMCC Doug]

Originally Posted by 7CAMARO7

did you know the "level 1" gmmg cars were basically a stock SS or z28 with nothing but a lid and catback added? They rated them at 375hp. Lets you know how much under rated these cars were from the factory.

I actually think all those gmmg cars were all z28s to begin with. Ever been in their shop? They have a million z28 badges around the walls. I think they came off the cars they converted.

Well, you don't have the GMMG story exactly correct. I am personal friends with Matt Murphy and most of the GMMG cars were built for Berger Chevrolet here in Grand Rapids, Michigan. Berger has our Camaro Club sponsor for over 20 years.

I just happen own a 2002 Hot Rod Magazine Edition Camaro by Berger/GMMG.

Phase 1 cars, like mine, did have the lid and cat-back exhaust, like you say, but they also had a pretty aggressive computer tune which bumped up the numbers, too. (GMMG has their own chassis dyno)

The first GMMG Camaros were built for Berger Chevrolet's 75th Anniversary. They were from the 2000 model year. All were SS cars to begin with. They built 31 cars for 2000. These were rated at 275hp.

After the huge success of the Berger 75th Anniversary cars, they continued for 2001. Again, all SS Camaros. They built 28 more for 2001. These were rated at 280hp (for Phase 1 cars, same for 2002)

Again they continued for the 2002 model year and built another 45 Berger SSs for 2002.

By 2001, GMMG had become successful to branch out and built 84 Earnhardt "Intimidator SS" Camaros for Dale Earnhardt Chevrolet in NC. They also built 32 Tom Henry Chevrolet SS Camaros for Tom Henry Chevrolet in PA (some 2001, most 2002).

They also built 36 Hot Rod Magazine Edition Camaros for Berger in 2002. Most of these were Z28s to begin with, but 11 of them were B4C cars to start with (like mine).

There were also 69 ZL1 Supercars built in 2002. All 69 of these were B4C cars to begin with. Many of these got the C5R Corvette racing 427 engines (600 hp)

There were 52 Performance Edition SSs built for 2002 as well. Several were 2002 Anniversary Editions or Brickyard Pace Car Editions.

They also did 30 Dick Harrell 2002s. Most again sold through Berger Chevrolet.

Some Blackbird Firebirds also got the GMMG treatment for Carl Black Pontiac.

Check out GMMG's website for more detailed info.:

http://gmmginc.net/

Nice SS 'vert ya got there, 7Camaro7 !!!!!!

[7CAMARO7]

Thanks... I've met matt a couple times. He took me for a ride in a dh phase 3 once cool guy.

I'm not saying I'm an expert but I know their stuff pretty good. I can spot a fake one too.

You have to admit it is strange to see all those z28 badges around their shop.

I don't know how much hp a tune would give, but I do not think all that much. I am not trying to put your car down one bit either. I've just never seen huge gains off of a tuned ls1. Have you ever had your car dynoed? What is the rwhp?

A guy on another site had a berger and his was a p1(lid/gmmg catback) and he said his computer was locked. If you want to mod or retune it might be a little difficult. I don't remember him getting it dynoed though.

btw I've been trying to mod my car closely to what the do to theirs. Deciphering their vague descriptions of the work they did to the cars has been one of my top priorities. I've done pretty good research. I know they use stock hydraulics on the stick cars too. When I found that out I quit playing around with adjustable ones.

my sway bars ought to be pretty close as well as a few other things you don't usually see. I'd say my brakes are comparable too.

Did you know that the main part of their "Corvette Brakes" are the pads? From what I heard somewhere corvette brakes consist of HAWKS pads from the factory. Well I got those and I got some slotted rotors because I wanted them over larger rotors. I think my brake setup is better than the stock corvette setup due to my slots. If the vettes had slotted rotors, I think they'd be even better.

[WMCC Doug]

Ya, Matt's a great guy. I guess I've known him since the mid-80's, but really got to know him better in 1996 when he worked for SLP. (We bought a '96SS new, but sadly ended up having to sell it almost a year ago. It went to a great couple in our Club, so at least I know it's in good hands.)

I've never had mine dynoed, and am not sure if Matt dynoeds all his cars before he sent them out or not. He advertises them to be 380ho/400tq. I know that's calculated from the dyno numbers to be flywheel numbers, though, so I'm not exact on the RWHP numbers. I've seen several Phase ! cars run in the high 12.80's-12.90's at the strip, so they must be getting some extra out of the tune.

We have a guy in our Club that's an expert with LS1 Edit. He has tuned several Club members cars and get some amazing results. Again, not dynoed, but a definite seat-of-the-pants increase. Most people are shocked at how different they feel after the tune. He looked at my tune (GMMG's tune) and said things were pushed out to near the limits on all the tables and he didn't think he could improve on it at all. It definitely needs premium gas due to the timing bump.

My car is a Phase I car (lid, exhaust, tune) so I only have the powder coated calipers and dimpled rotors, so I can really comment on the Corvette brake setup Matt uses on some of his upgrades. Suspension wise, I believe the Phase I cars only get the lowering springs. We get 3.73 gears as well.

I have driven a couple of Phase II cars (435hp) and they are nice. A tiny little bit finicky, but very livable. I don't really have any desire to upgrade. I love the way the car runs right now. It's a complete joy to drive. The only mod I could ever envision would be a good set of headers. We've done the Hot Rod Power - Long Haul three times with it.

I ran the car at the Motorstate Challenge Pro-Touring track day/autocross weekend last June at Gingerman Raceway here in southwest Michigan. The car ran great and held it's own pretty well with all those high dollar 1st Gen pro-touring cars. After that weekend, I'm more interested in suspension upgrades than more power. LOL

Sounds like you've done some real nice things to your SS. It looks very nice, too.
I have another friend in Wisconsin that has several GMMG cars. You can check out his website at: www.daytonapacecars.com

If you have some questions on any particular GMMG mods, ask me. If I don't know, I can probably find out. We've probably got 12 GMMG Camaros in our Club (helps to have Berger as our Club sponsor, and live in the Grand Rapids area! LOL)

Here's a pic of our HRE. It's the only white one out of the 36 built. It's car number 1989 (they were numbered from 1967 through 2002, one for each year)



The green Camaro next to ours in the photo is a 2002 Berger SS, Phase II in 1969 Rally Green w/white stripes. It belongs to some of our friends in the Club. It's Nice!

Keep in touch,
Doug

[CamaroSpike23]

Originally Posted by tones2SS

Yeah, this dude is blowing smoke up your butt.
Running 8.2's and it's stock?!?! NOPE! Do not believe him.

8.2's in the 1/8 is nothing but a good driver.

Originally Posted by a_Username

I say it has at least has cams on it.

if it had cams in it, it would be super rare.