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Col. Brain · 12-12-2013, 12:47 PM

I will take another stab at it

Camaro 2SS 1LE is about 41k with Recaros

Z07 brake was 8k option (i believe)
LS7 is about 4k (retail) over the LS3 and the dry sump idk say 2k for that

I think the wheels might be a wash
Exhaust 1k

R&D i would think 3-5k per unit at cost and im sure they have a formula to make some off of that. So i will just say 7k

That ball parks around 63k.

Suspension maybe 1k more over the 1LE setup

I will go with 64k.

It still has to be a value car imo and i think GM really would like to go after other performance car buyers and not just the Camaro faithful here. The guys who buy 911s and actually race them.

I also think that if the price hits a fully loaded C7 target they might lose buyers to the Corvette

I also think that GM could price this thing at 60k and i also think they could shoot for the moon at 70k.

The closer to 60 it gets the more likely i might hold out for one.
3-4k units - one will be available imo

Msmall143 · 12-12-2013, 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Col. Brain

I will take another stab at it

Camaro 2SS 1LE is about 41k with Recaros

Z07 brake was 8k option (i believe)
LS7 is about 4k (retail) over the LS3 and the dry sump idk say 2k for that

I think the wheels might be a wash
Exhaust 1k

R&D i would think 3-5k per unit at cost and im sure they have a formula to make some off of that. So i will just say 7k

That ball parks around 63k.

Suspension maybe 1k more over the 1LE setup

I will go with 64k.

It still has to be a value car imo and i think GM really would like to go after other performance car buyers and not just the Camaro faithful here. The guys who buy 911s and actually race them.

I also think that if the price hits a fully loaded C7 target they might lose buyers to the Corvette

I also think that GM could price this thing at 60k and i also think they could shoot for the moon at 70k.

The closer to 60 it gets the more likely i might hold out for one.
3-4k units - one will be available imo

You forgot to add in the price for the z/28 badge.....

90503 · 12-12-2013, 05:37 PM

If we're building cars, here's a post I think may be helpful....It's from a guy who knows a thing or two about cars...

Quote:

Originally Posted by JusticePete

Base Price for a Vette is $50K. Here is how I priced out the Z06. $91,580. That is a $40,000 bump to a base Vette. A bare bones 1SS is $34K. By my calculations the lowest possible price for a Z/28 would be $75,000, but the Z/28 includes thinner glass and other unique to the Z/28 items. The Z06 borrows from the ZL1 with no new technology or components. Can you imagine what the brake calibration cost to develop and validate on the Z/28?$?$?$?$

I would love to be wrong, but I don't see the Z/28 at less than $80K

This was also before the announcement the production of the Z/28 would be limited to 3-4K cars over two years...

LOWDOWN · 12-12-2013, 07:41 PM

Well...even @ a build of 3-4000, that's more production than the Z06-Z07 bore...so the per unit costs would be less. And Corvette margins shouldn't be expected of a Camaro...

NAIAS will reveal the C7 Z06, so suddenly the glass ceiling has been reinstalled...

Msmall143 · 12-12-2013, 07:47 PM

I don't think the z's were limited though. They just didn't sell all that's well over the last few years they were offered. The z06's kind of faded out while the z/28 seems to be all the new rave. Because of the hype I think they will be asking high

LOWDOWN · 12-12-2013, 08:07 PM

And why did the Z06 in ALL forms sell is low-ish numbers, the last few years?

1) C7 on the horizon...except Z06 sales stated tumbling when the ZR1 arrived. So...

2) Sales beyond $70-75Gs (excuse this!) for a GM car are rarified...whether Limited Edition, or otherwise...THAT'S your true glass ceiling.

LOWDOWN · 12-12-2013, 08:24 PM

Keep in mind, folks, there WILL be a Gen-6 Z/28. This Gen-5 masterpiece is NOT one of those hokey Brand F 2-year-only get-em-while-they're-hot! sleds.

This car will reappear, better than this one (believe it!), at a price relevant to the Gen-5 AND relative to others within the Division, both in deed AND price...

motorhead · 12-12-2013, 08:24 PM

Better yet, what will Hendrick pay for the first one in Scottsdale this year?

Msmall143 · 12-12-2013, 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

Keep in mind, folks, there WILL be a Gen-6 Z/28. This Gen-5 masterpiece is NOT one of those hokey Brand F 2-year-only get-em-while-they're-hot! sleds.

This car will reappear, better than this one (believe it!), at a price relevant to the Gen-5 AND relative to others within the Division, both in deed AND price...

What are these others you speak of? I just don't see in track specific cars being released....

It seems that gm isn't targeting camaro fans or sports car fans as much as they are targeting track guys. Folks that extensively track there car understand its expensive.

People think golf or horseback riding is an expensive hobby. Racing cars can be much more expensive and people that do it get it.

I like to see a rendering of the gen 6 but would love to see the gen 6 z!

Lots of good points but I didn't see a guess on the price

*DGthe3* · 12-12-2013, 09:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by motorhead

Better yet, what will Hendrick pay for the first one in Scottsdale this year?

Depends on how much of a tax write-off he needs

LOWDOWN · 12-12-2013, 09:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Msmall143

Lots of good points but I didn't see a guess on the price

Gosh, I forgot this was the FIRST "Guess My Price" thread, here...

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...=329859&page=4

...and you had a comment, 7 posts down...

The "track-ready" aspects of this car MEANS it's ready for HPDE events, NOT that it's ready to sit on the Pole @ Rolex 24 or Sebring...and unless they price the thing @ COPO-like numbers, I don't see a lot of Ferrari-Lambo owners sullying themselves to mingle with the masses @ Your Town Chevrolet...

As to "others within the Division", there IS a C7 Z06 reveal @ NAIAS...and, believe me, THAT car will show tail to a Gen-5 Z/28.

As for auto racing being expen$ive, "If you wanna make a SMALL fortune racing, start with a LARGE fortune first..."

The Stig · 12-12-2013, 10:04 PM

I just hope I can make the perfect "I Told You So" meme when they release the price

LOWDOWN · 12-12-2013, 10:08 PM

Stig, I'll be here to take my lumps, IF I need to. I can think of a few who may leave for vacation if the price is more "sensible" than they think/wish/dream...

Mikes SS · 12-12-2013, 10:18 PM

Guys as we have said many times the final price point will be more than the ZL1...and cost is relative, it's not what it's worth to you and me, it's what GM thinks they can sell it for. And then to be a Debbie Downer again, I say it's just a Camaro and though I feel my passion for them may be unrivaled, I WON'T PAY 70k+ for a CAMARO. It's really sad and I'm sure they would love to sell more Z/28's than they can produce, the fact still remains that it will be a gas guzzler and GM doesn't want to have the liability due to CAFE THAT 10-15,000 of these monsters hit the streets!! Plain and simple, so they sell few with a high margin , Lord knows there will be plenty of demand @$80K, just not from me.

View Poll Results: What do you think the MSRP will be for the 2014 Z/28
55k-65k	25	17.86%
66k-75k	77	55.00%
76k-85k	31	22.14%
North of 85k	4	2.86%
1 dollar bob (below 55k)	3	2.14%
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12-12-2013, 10:04 PM	#26
The Stig knows 2 facts about ducks Drives: ...and they're both wrong Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: The HMS Invincible Posts: 25,072 View My Garage	I just hope I can make the perfect "I Told You So" meme when they release the price __________________

12-12-2013, 10:18 PM	#28
Mikes SS Drives: '10 CGM 2SS/RS 6M Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: North Central Florida Posts: 1,032 View My Garage	Guys as we have said many times the final price point will be more than the ZL1...and cost is relative, it's not what it's worth to you and me, it's what GM thinks they can sell it for. And then to be a Debbie Downer again, I say it's just a Camaro and though I feel my passion for them may be unrivaled, I WON'T PAY 70k+ for a CAMARO. It's really sad and I'm sure they would love to sell more Z/28's than they can produce, the fact still remains that it will be a gas guzzler and GM doesn't want to have the liability due to CAFE THAT 10-15,000 of these monsters hit the streets!! Plain and simple, so they sell few with a high margin , Lord knows there will be plenty of demand @$80K, just not from me. Last edited by Mikes SS; 12-13-2013 at 06:43 AM.

12-12-2013, 12:47 PM	#15
Col. Brain Drives: 2012 Ram 1980 Malibu Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Otherside of the screen Posts: 362	I will take another stab at it Camaro 2SS 1LE is about 41k with Recaros Z07 brake was 8k option (i believe) LS7 is about 4k (retail) over the LS3 and the dry sump idk say 2k for that I think the wheels might be a wash Exhaust 1k R&D i would think 3-5k per unit at cost and im sure they have a formula to make some off of that. So i will just say 7k That ball parks around 63k. Suspension maybe 1k more over the 1LE setup I will go with 64k. It still has to be a value car imo and i think GM really would like to go after other performance car buyers and not just the Camaro faithful here. The guys who buy 911s and actually race them. I also think that if the price hits a fully loaded C7 target they might lose buyers to the Corvette I also think that GM could price this thing at 60k and i also think they could shoot for the moon at 70k. The closer to 60 it gets the more likely i might hold out for one. 3-4k units - one will be available imo

12-12-2013, 07:41 PM	#18
LOWDOWN Downright Upright Drives: Daily Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Cruisin'... Posts: 4,145	Well...even @ a build of 3-4000, that's more production than the Z06-Z07 bore...so the per unit costs would be less. And Corvette margins shouldn't be expected of a Camaro... NAIAS will reveal the C7 Z06, so suddenly the glass ceiling has been reinstalled...

12-12-2013, 07:47 PM	#19
Msmall143 Drives: Camaro Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: NOVA Posts: 1,718	I don't think the z's were limited though. They just didn't sell all that's well over the last few years they were offered. The z06's kind of faded out while the z/28 seems to be all the new rave. Because of the hype I think they will be asking high

12-12-2013, 08:07 PM	#20
LOWDOWN Downright Upright Drives: Daily Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Cruisin'... Posts: 4,145	And why did the Z06 in ALL forms sell is low-ish numbers, the last few years? 1) C7 on the horizon...except Z06 sales stated tumbling when the ZR1 arrived. So... 2) Sales beyond $70-75Gs (excuse this!) for a GM car are rarified...whether Limited Edition, or otherwise...THAT'S your true glass ceiling.

12-12-2013, 08:24 PM	#21
LOWDOWN Downright Upright Drives: Daily Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Cruisin'... Posts: 4,145	Keep in mind, folks, there WILL be a Gen-6 Z/28. This Gen-5 masterpiece is NOT one of those hokey Brand F 2-year-only *get-em-while-they're-hot!* sleds. This car will reappear, better than this one (believe it!), at a price relevant to the Gen-5 AND relative to others within the Division, both in deed AND price...

12-12-2013, 08:24 PM	#22
motorhead Drives: Love the one you're with Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Downtown Charlie Brown Posts: 11,850	Better yet, what will Hendrick pay for the first one in Scottsdale this year?

12-12-2013, 10:08 PM	#27
LOWDOWN Downright Upright Drives: Daily Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Cruisin'... Posts: 4,145	Stig, I'll be here to take my lumps, IF I need to. I can think of a few who may leave for vacation if the price is more "sensible" than they think/wish/dream...