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darthknight72 · 03-26-2008, 11:29 AM

I think the only real mistake the General made was to stop production on our beloved F-bodys in the first place.Make the Camaro within a 1,000 dollars of the mustang and you have a winner.Just dont get too greedy with the price tag.I think thats what killed off our favorite car the first time around.

*radz28* · 03-26-2008, 12:45 PM

I'd like to know the real reason for killing it the last time. I know sales were down really low, however, it just didn't seem like it got any real development. I mean sure, the LT1s and LS1s were great, but the rest of the car was too similar to the 3rd. Gen. I know there weren't really many carry over parts, but the suspension was pretty similar in the rear, the floor pans were pretty similar, but the car got heavier and just didn't really get refined. I know the body was stiffer than the 3rd. Gen. but there just didn't seem like there was a lot of interest from GM to keep the car alive and thriving.

I thought I remembered reading that GM was deliberately trying to kill the F-body so they could get out of the contract with that particular plant, so they could start over, or something along those lines. I guess if the car was cancelled, the contract would be void, so they just let the car go.

Troycamaro · 03-31-2008, 04:25 PM

Ok Let me clarify myself again. I like the new camaro that is coming. I just wish the design crew would have put the lower lights in the middle of the lower front valance, and placed the air intakes to the outside. Will I buy one? probably. I also hope the canadians get the quality under control, too many beer breaks by the plant I am guessing. I see alot of people on here drive a Japanese manufactured vehicles and are waiting for the canadian made Camaro to hit the dealers.

My friend who works in the plant where they are being made, has told there are some quality things they are getting a handle on, and line speed is slowing ramping up, GM/Canada wants to have a good launch.

storm79 · 03-31-2008, 04:31 PM

the only thing im a little and i mean little disappointed in is the engine...i wish they woulda pumped up the HP a lil more...cuz if u look at a lot of cars now they are coming with like 450+HP.......i just want a really fast car...and i hope camaro is really fast

Fandango · 03-31-2008, 05:03 PM

GM did a great job with the new Camaro. The Concept is DEAD ON as to what this car has evolved. My feelings about the concept car is that it was as if GM read all our minds as to how the car should look. As far as Powertrain, well there is a desired powertain for every one out there and none are equal to the other. GM has hit a home run with the Concept design. Infact, in the history of concept cars and making sure they stay as true in production has never been more feirce than it has been with this car. I feel the concern should be:

GM Don't screw this one up! "If it aint' Broke, don't Fix it" That describes the Concept car and our fears.

Am I right my brothers?

skipj3 · 03-31-2008, 05:25 PM

Does anyone like where they put the reverse lights?

*DGthe3* · 03-31-2008, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Troycamaro

Ok Let me clarify myself again. I like the new camaro that is coming. I just wish the design crew would have put the lower lights in the middle of the lower front valance, and placed the air intakes to the outside. Will I buy one? probably. I also hope the canadians get the quality under control, too many beer breaks by the plant I am guessing. I see alot of people on here drive a Japanese manufactured vehicles and are waiting for the canadian made Camaro to hit the dealers.

My friend who works in the plant where they are being made, has told there are some quality things they are getting a handle on, and line speed is slowing ramping up, GM/Canada wants to have a good launch.

What quality issues? Its being made at a facility which is generally considered to be one of the best in North America.

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The plant won the JD Power Gold Award for initial quality in 2006, 2005, 2003, 2002; as well a numerous other individual awards for the specific models it produces. In 2007, the plant won silver for initial quality

3whiterag · 03-31-2008, 05:31 PM

They're building a new Camaro?

*Camaro_Corvette* · 03-31-2008, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Troycamaro

Ok Let me clarify myself again. I like the new camaro that is coming. I just wish the design crew would have put the lower lights in the middle of the lower front valance, and placed the air intakes to the outside. Will I buy one? probably. I also hope the canadians get the quality under control, too many beer breaks by the plant I am guessing. I see alot of people on here drive a Japanese manufactured vehicles and are waiting for the canadian made Camaro to hit the dealers.

My friend who works in the plant where they are being made, has told there are some quality things they are getting a handle on, and line speed is slowing ramping up, GM/Canada wants to have a good launch.

i believe chevrolet makes a quality product no matter where its made, and the new camaro looks great, i'm glad they didn't make it look too much like a 69' i love the 69's but i also love to see a whole new car.

Mike88 · 03-31-2008, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by 3whiterag

They're building a new Camaro?

that's news to me too!

lol!

Troycamaro · 04-01-2008, 10:43 AM

DGthe3, Oshawa is a great facility, don't get me wrong I did some of the tooling for the GMT800 and 900 at the truck plant. My friend was telling of some issues with the C-pillar and water/wind noise, I believe they have this solved. Now we all wait for the slow ramp. I am just relaying what I was told from a trusted friend of over 30 years. Nothing like anticipation, of a new toy to make time drag on

*DGthe3* · 04-01-2008, 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Troycamaro

DGthe3, Oshawa is a great facility, don't get me wrong I did some of the tooling for the GMT800 and 900 at the truck plant. My friend was telling of some issues with the C-pillar and water/wind noise, I believe they have this solved. Now we all wait for the slow ramp. I am just relaying what I was told from a trusted friend of over 30 years. Nothing like anticipation, of a new toy to make time drag on

Ah, I see. It was an extremely specific concern, not a general one.

B O N E Z · 04-01-2008, 11:31 PM

I also think that the 69 looks better, but they cant just copy the old car. They have to try to be original and make a new icon for the camaro name. If they just made it look like the old ones, whats the fun and tradition in that? The first gen camaros were awesome, but they have to move on and make another, original generation of camaros, while only taking hints from the first camaro. If you look past the differences and similarities of the old and new generations, and look at it as a new car, it looks beautiful, capable of being a new icon that is different from its ancestors.

03-26-2008, 12:45 PM	#44
radz28 Petro-sexual Drives: Ultra-Grin Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Crazy Coast Posts: 15,207 View My Garage	I'd like to know the real reason for killing it the last time. I know sales were down really low, however, it just didn't seem like it got any real development. I mean sure, the LT1s and LS1s were great, but the rest of the car was too similar to the 3rd. Gen. I know there weren't really many carry over parts, but the suspension was pretty similar in the rear, the floor pans were pretty similar, but the car got heavier and just didn't really get refined. I know the body was stiffer than the 3rd. Gen. but there just didn't seem like there was a lot of interest from GM to keep the car alive and thriving. I thought I remembered reading that GM was deliberately trying to kill the F-body so they could get out of the contract with that particular plant, so they could start over, or something along those lines. I guess if the car was cancelled, the contract would be void, so they just let the car go. __________________ '20 ZL1 Black "Fury" A10, PDR, Exposed CF Extractor Magnuson Magnum DI TVS2650R // RFBG // Soler 103 // TooHighPSI Port Injection // THPSI Billet Lid // FF // Katech Drop-In // PLM Heat Exchanger // ZLE Cradle bushings // BMR Chassis-Suspension Stuff // aFe Bars // Diode Dynamics LEDs // ACS Composites Guards // CF Dash // Aeroforce // tint // other stuffs

03-31-2008, 04:25 PM	#45
Troycamaro Drives: 1969 Camaro SS Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Michigan Posts: 5	Ok Let me clarify myself again. I like the new camaro that is coming. I just wish the design crew would have put the lower lights in the middle of the lower front valance, and placed the air intakes to the outside. Will I buy one? probably. I also hope the canadians get the quality under control, too many beer breaks by the plant I am guessing. I see alot of people on here drive a Japanese manufactured vehicles and are waiting for the canadian made Camaro to hit the dealers. My friend who works in the plant where they are being made, has told there are some quality things they are getting a handle on, and line speed is slowing ramping up, GM/Canada wants to have a good launch. __________________ Troycamaro Michigan 02 2500 Avalanche, yep with the 8100 Big Block Chevy, with a 4.10 rear gear, Flowmaster, K&N induction, Programmer. I

03-31-2008, 04:31 PM	#46
storm79 Drives: 2007 GMC Sierra Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Middle of nowhere Posts: 281	the only thing im a little and i mean little disappointed in is the engine...i wish they woulda pumped up the HP a lil more...cuz if u look at a lot of cars now they are coming with like 450+HP.......i just want a really fast car...and i hope camaro is really fast __________________

03-31-2008, 05:03 PM	#47
Fandango (In Z/28 Therapy) Drives: 2014 SS Camaro (Sookie) Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Zephyrhills, FL Posts: 466	GM did a great job with the new Camaro. The Concept is DEAD ON as to what this car has evolved. My feelings about the concept car is that it was as if GM read all our minds as to how the car should look. As far as Powertrain, well there is a desired powertain for every one out there and none are equal to the other. GM has hit a home run with the Concept design. Infact, in the history of concept cars and making sure they stay as true in production has never been more feirce than it has been with this car. I feel the concern should be: GM Don't screw this one up! "If it aint' Broke, don't Fix it" That describes the Concept car and our fears. Am I right my brothers? __________________ Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in me will live, even though he dies; and whoever lives and believes in me will never die.”

03-31-2008, 05:31 PM	#50
3whiterag GM Powertrain Retired Drives: 67SS350, 87 IROC L98, 96SS ver Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Niagara, Canada Posts: 352	They're building a new Camaro? __________________ http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b7...g/100_1224.jpg http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b7...g/100_1227.jpg http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b7...g/100_1230.jpg

03-26-2008, 11:29 AM	#43
darthknight72 Drives: 1983 trans am Join Date: May 2007 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 127	I think the only real mistake the General made was to stop production on our beloved F-bodys in the first place.Make the Camaro within a 1,000 dollars of the mustang and you have a winner.Just dont get too greedy with the price tag.I think thats what killed off our favorite car the first time around.

03-31-2008, 05:25 PM	#48
skipj3 Go Gators Baby!!! Drives: '11 2SS M6 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: SC Posts: 871	Does anyone like where they put the reverse lights?

04-01-2008, 10:43 AM	#53
Troycamaro Drives: 1969 Camaro SS Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Michigan Posts: 5	DGthe3, Oshawa is a great facility, don't get me wrong I did some of the tooling for the GMT800 and 900 at the truck plant. My friend was telling of some issues with the C-pillar and water/wind noise, I believe they have this solved. Now we all wait for the slow ramp. I am just relaying what I was told from a trusted friend of over 30 years. Nothing like anticipation, of a new toy to make time drag on __________________ Troycamaro Michigan 02 2500 Avalanche, yep with the 8100 Big Block Chevy, with a 4.10 rear gear, Flowmaster, K&N induction, Programmer. I

04-01-2008, 11:31 PM	#55
B O N E Z Drives: 01 maro Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 9	I also think that the 69 looks better, but they cant just copy the old car. They have to try to be original and make a new icon for the camaro name. If they just made it look like the old ones, whats the fun and tradition in that? The first gen camaros were awesome, but they have to move on and make another, original generation of camaros, while only taking hints from the first camaro. If you look past the differences and similarities of the old and new generations, and look at it as a new car, it looks beautiful, capable of being a new icon that is different from its ancestors.