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Old 02-27-2013, 09:36 PM   #15
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Old 02-27-2013, 10:02 PM   #16
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In my opinion, the addition of a CAI is simply a single part of a total package that needs to be added.

The amount of air you can pass through an engine is what determines the amount of power that an engine can produce. Now thats a very simplistic statement but lets keep it simple here.

If you want to get more power, you need more air, so you free up the intake (CAI) and you free up the exhaust with LT headers, HF cats and custom cat back exhaust.

If you really want to boost the power you do both these things and add either a freeer breathing cam or a forced air induction system.

If you want to get crazy, you do both to cram as much air through the engine as possible, of course mixed with the proper amount of fuel.

Simply put, the CAI is one feature that needs to be used in conjunction with many other items to get the best gains from your engine.

Putting a CAI on a stock car with no other changes would likely not make much difference at all, especially on a very small 2.0 L engine.

There have been so many reputable shops here on C5 that have done test after test proving what the CAI actually do that its kind of a waste of time to debate it anymore. Been proven by quality third party testers.
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Old 02-27-2013, 10:25 PM   #17
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Did anyone notice something inappropriate at 2:17?
Lol I had to watch that was to funny
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Old 02-28-2013, 12:27 AM   #18
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Old 02-28-2013, 03:11 AM   #19
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Old 02-28-2013, 03:23 AM   #20
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Wrong. It's been proven over and over on the dyno and the track.
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Old 02-28-2013, 04:54 AM   #21
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Having spent 15 years selling cold air kits for every imaginable car, I have yet to have anyone complain about them. I have personally seen track times and dyno pulls on everything from a Dodge Dynasty to a Duramax z71 that confirm more power.

I added a CAI brand intake to my 2SS the other day and so far it doesn't feel any stronger to me, but it's much smoother taking off now with almost no jerk like to used to be if I was lazy off the clutch, but I can confirm my gas mileage has gone up 2mpg, so it's definitely doing something.
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Old 02-28-2013, 07:36 AM   #22
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That is funny.
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Old 02-28-2013, 08:42 AM   #23
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Easiest way to pick up a good bit of power. I'll be glad to do a before/after if anyone wants a dyno session!
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Old 02-28-2013, 09:12 AM   #24
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Not sure if this was posted, but I feel maybe a little foolish in buying my CAI. But I guess it makes the car sound better...

1. For everything that you believe in, or has been tested, or proven, I can probably find something on the internet that says the exact opposite, that does not mean it is true. This goes for everything from landing on the moon to people who can "test" and prove that we live in a matrix. Take things with a grain of salt.

2. Also anyone who knows anything about testing knows that controlled and non controlled variables play a huge result in your findings, meaning I can test the same thing 2 different ways and get 2 different sets of results.

3. I am pretty sure that I would put a little more faith in the testing and proven results from hundreds of car builders, drag racers, engine builders, speed shops, and thousands of happy customers over 2 guys who get paid to test things to capture an audience for ratings.

4. I would put a little more stock into testing like this: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=107002

Have a little faith in the guys who do Cold Air Intakes for a living, and test things every day, not 2 guys working for a TV show. That being said, rest assured your CAI is giving you more power, and well worth your investment.
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Anybody do long term testing on intakes ?

I have heard some negative things without tuning with intakes. long term.
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Old 02-28-2013, 10:20 AM   #27
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Anybody do long term testing on intakes ?

I have heard some negative things without tuning with intakes. long term.
I have never heard of that before, and we work with a lot of people who have been around this stuff a long time. I am not sure how increased filtration and less restriced airflow could have any negative effect, short or long term. The MAF is adjusting your fuel trims according to what it is taking in, and if you are not getting a CEL then the trims are within the parameters of what the computer will allow without getting a new tune, so I don't see how anything could have negative impact?
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Old 02-28-2013, 12:00 PM   #28
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yup i have been ridiculed on many threads for saying cais are over rated.
Depends on your definition of overrated. Does anyone get a 20% increase? Hell no, that's just rediculous. The better CAI's for the Camaro gain around 3.5%, or 15whp. Some may call that rediculous but the math works out to to around $23/HP which is a BARGAIN in anyones book. Also, as someone else posted, a CAI is just part of the equation.

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Looks like they do concede a 1.5% power gain!! But it will take a bit more than that to shake up the times at the track. Apparently it would take more than 10% or 40 HP increase to really make a difference. FAR more than the gains from my CAI even claims. Again, I'm fine with my purchase. It looks cool and sounds better. If I really want to shake things up I'll get a supercharger instead!
Who says it takes 40+whp to make a difference at the track?

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Anybody do long term testing on intakes ?

I have heard some negative things without tuning with intakes. long term.
As CAI said, all they are doing is maximizing the airflow through the intake. The better ones will increase flow by smoothing out the airflow and getting a slightly colder charge. The MAF read area should be the same size as OEM. I'm not completely sold on the idea that 3-5 degrees colder air makes a difference but I guess it would depend on where you are in the PCM temp table. We will all agree that the closer you are to ambient, the better. The stock box does a pretty good job at keeping the temps down. Seeing that a CAI that doesn't throw a CEL is within the range of adjustablitly for the PCM, there shouldn't be a problem. We aren't fooling the PCM with unmetered air here. All the air is being counted and fueled for. Theres's just physically more of it.
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