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LS3pwrdBuffalo · 06-11-2014, 12:10 AM

Let me explain now that i have your attention. lol When at the drag strip been having an issue of stabilitrack engaging the right rear brake momentarily when no lift shifting to 2nd as though its sensing the rear kicking out. Doesn't do it in any other gear. I've tried traction control off, ptm5, all nannies off, ect it doesn't matter. Been to the strip 3 times this year and its quite aggravating knowing this is killing my e.t. and nothing i can do about it.....or can I? Decided to pull the abs fuse since thats what the computer uses to sense it anyways. Guess what...hit 2nd and spun my way to horrible e.t. lol Not only did i spin through the bottom of 2nd a lil but 1st gear was horrible. I launched it the same way i have like the other 30 times this year (in which i always got the same result) yet the car spun much worse as though it had a small shot on it.

So now the question arrises on the 6 speed zl1s'. Just something goofy with my car alone? Or....With all nannies off are our cars still being controlled somewhat? Heck if i know but if i ever get the sand out of my vag and decide to let go of my warranty i know a number of things i'm having Bluecat (top notch tuner from Asland Ky) disable in my Z >:-) Till then i guess i'll pull the abs fuse at the strip as much as i hate it

LS3pwrdBuffalo · 06-11-2014, 12:18 AM

Oh and just to add to the aggravation i've been pulling consistent 8.0's @ 93mph on 2.0 60fts with the 2nd gear issue. I usually run 1/8th mile (cause its local and way more convienent) and its always a big deal to run in the 7's or lower and i know this is killing a good couple of tenths. lol Just wanna bang my head off a wall. lol Went to the 1/4 once this year (about a 3.5 hr drive for me) and ended up running a 12.3 @ nearly 118 yet again with a 8.0 1/8th on 2.0ft with the slight 2nd gear jam. Really wanting to rep the stock 6spd zl1's well so this is pissing me off highly. Guess i better just practice with the fuse pulled and see what i can do :-)

joes407 · 06-11-2014, 05:33 AM

12.3 at 118 is a good time for stock in the manual

DavidW · 06-11-2014, 08:27 AM

pull the abs fuse, thats the only way you can accomplish completely defeating any nannies as far as I know

it seems like every gm vehicle will have a little bit of tc/st even when you do the button hold until it says stabilitrak disabled

LuckyZL-1 · 06-11-2014, 11:40 AM

Hmmm. I know mines a Vert but when I double tap the PTM you are totally and completely on your own!! I figured PTM 5 in a coupe would do the same?

DarthZL1 · 06-11-2014, 12:09 PM

Funny I just watched the video and read the owners manual about this, and THEY claim all the nannies are off at PTM5, and you are "on your own". I'm guessing that this is not really the case given the information above.

Next time at the track, if you can, can you try back and forth? One run with the ABS fuse and one without (or multiple of each)? Be interesting data point.

Sven59 · 06-11-2014, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by LuckyZL-1

Hmmm. I know mines a Vert but when I double tap the PTM you are totally and completely on your own!! I figured PTM 5 in a coupe would do the same?

The vert doesn't have PTM.

Sent from a large Hammer.

TOYMARO · 06-11-2014, 01:00 PM

um, i know obvious. But turning off the nannies.....you held the button for 5 seconds or more right?

hognutz · 06-11-2014, 01:59 PM

no PTM mode is completely off.

you need to hold down the button for 5-7 seconds and then it should turn both systems off.

I have had it let me get way out of shape by doing this. so far I had to lift not to wreck.

verts have a different system but I think you still turn them all off the same. the verts are more like my Z06 with competive driving mode I think.

TOYMARO · 06-11-2014, 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hognutz

no PTM mode is completely off.

you need to hold down the button for 5-7 seconds and then it should turn both systems off.

I have had it let me get way out of shape by doing this. so far I had to lift not to wreck.

verts have a different system but I think you still turn them all off the same. the verts are more like my Z06 with competive driving mode I think.

yea.....i posted same about the 5 seconds. I kinda thought it sounded like stabilitrak was still on. Hence the different 60 times and car action after fuse pull.

LuckyZL-1 · 06-11-2014, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Sven59

The vert doesn't have PTM.

Sent from a large Hammer.

Your right no modes except nannies or no nannies. Or learning to drive mode or I know how to drive mode. The later will getcha if you ain't careful!

HDRDTD · 06-11-2014, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by LuckyZL-1

Your right no modes except nannies or no nannies. Or learning to drive mode or I know how to drive mode. The later will getcha if you ain't careful!

The Verts with the M6 do have launch mode with no-lift shift.

LS3pwrdBuffalo · 06-11-2014, 10:08 PM

Sorry guys, busy busy. UPS killing me with overtime :-/

Yes i def had all nannies off, its pretty obvious after holding for 7 seconds and both tc and st lights come on. Stabilitrack is supposed to be off in ptm4-5 as well. Now this contradicts my 2nd gear issue but to test the stabilitrack (while off) i decided to do some powerslides and play around a bit. Not one issue, act like a jackass and put on a smoke show, no interference with nannies off.......YET......run it in a straight line and powershift the **** out of 2nd and BOOM stabilitrack says f*** you. Explain that one :-/ All i know is the car was a whole different animal and no interference with the abs fuse pulled so that'll be my regular routine at the strip from now on. Now i just gotta practice launching with all that unleashed power lol And i had my 60fts down to consistent 2.0's too with abs fuse in...BOO! lol

jessrayo · 06-11-2014, 10:55 PM

Interesting observation. I know for certain that the computers do intervene when the car is in PTM 5. If you get going over 20 or 30 mph and try to do some high speed donuts it will cut the power as soon as the car starts going backward with the wheels spinning.

If you hold the button for 7 seconds, right at the count of 7 the stability and traction control lights come on and it is supposed to be off, my line lock is supposed to kill the traction control but if I try to burnout in second gear in front of the water box it will kill the engine more often than not. I quit doing second gear burnouts because it was embarrassing to stall the motor and I just knew it was traction control of some kind....

Which fuse are you pulling, number 40? Second vertical one from the bottom? Or the bigger Jfuse number 43?

06-11-2014, 12:10 AM	#1
LS3pwrdBuffalo Drives: 2013 Victory Red ZL1 6spd Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Charleston, WV Posts: 68	Nannies off but not totally off??? Anyone else? Let me explain now that i have your attention. lol When at the drag strip been having an issue of stabilitrack engaging the right rear brake momentarily when no lift shifting to 2nd as though its sensing the rear kicking out. Doesn't do it in any other gear. I've tried traction control off, ptm5, all nannies off, ect it doesn't matter. Been to the strip 3 times this year and its quite aggravating knowing this is killing my e.t. and nothing i can do about it.....or can I? Decided to pull the abs fuse since thats what the computer uses to sense it anyways. Guess what...hit 2nd and spun my way to horrible e.t. lol Not only did i spin through the bottom of 2nd a lil but 1st gear was horrible. I launched it the same way i have like the other 30 times this year (in which i always got the same result) yet the car spun much worse as though it had a small shot on it. So now the question arrises on the 6 speed zl1s'. Just something goofy with my car alone? Or....With all nannies off are our cars still being controlled somewhat? Heck if i know but if i ever get the sand out of my vag and decide to let go of my warranty i know a number of things i'm having Bluecat (top notch tuner from Asland Ky) disable in my Z >:-) Till then i guess i'll pull the abs fuse at the strip as much as i hate it __________________

06-11-2014, 12:18 AM	#2
LS3pwrdBuffalo Drives: 2013 Victory Red ZL1 6spd Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Charleston, WV Posts: 68	Oh and just to add to the aggravation i've been pulling consistent 8.0's @ 93mph on 2.0 60fts with the 2nd gear issue. I usually run 1/8th mile (cause its local and way more convienent) and its always a big deal to run in the 7's or lower and i know this is killing a good couple of tenths. lol Just wanna bang my head off a wall. lol Went to the 1/4 once this year (about a 3.5 hr drive for me) and ended up running a 12.3 @ nearly 118 yet again with a 8.0 1/8th on 2.0ft with the slight 2nd gear jam. Really wanting to rep the stock 6spd zl1's well so this is pissing me off highly. Guess i better just practice with the fuse pulled and see what i can do :-) __________________

06-11-2014, 11:40 AM	#5
LuckyZL-1 Ragtop Rocket!!! Drives: Black on Black Convertible Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: San Antonio Texas Posts: 809	Hmmm. I know mines a Vert but when I double tap the PTM you are totally and completely on your own!! I figured PTM 5 in a coupe would do the same? __________________ ADM built 2013 Triple Black ZL-1 Convertible M6 ADM custom cam, LPE stage 2 heads with dual valve springs, LS-3 ported throttle body, LPE 2 piece pulley, LPE overdrive balancer, 10% overdrive pulley, ported supercharger inlet, ADM race intake system, stainless works 1-7/8 headers, Injector Dynamics injectors, ADM heat exchanger, ADM dual fuel pump system, ADM exhaust switch, ADM 3 tunes tuning package. 744rwhp 727rwtq

06-11-2014, 01:59 PM	#9
hognutz Drives: 2013 ZL1 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: tangent or Posts: 2,984	no PTM mode is completely off. you need to hold down the button for 5-7 seconds and then it should turn both systems off. I have had it let me get way out of shape by doing this. so far I had to lift not to wreck. verts have a different system but I think you still turn them all off the same. the verts are more like my Z06 with competive driving mode I think. __________________ shopping for 2017+1le or zl1 2009 CTS-V -sold 2015 Hellcat-sold 2013 ZL1 -sold 2007 Z06- sold 2014 Chrysler 300 2011 Duramax 8" lift, deleted tuned

06-11-2014, 10:08 PM	#13
LS3pwrdBuffalo Drives: 2013 Victory Red ZL1 6spd Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Charleston, WV Posts: 68	Sorry guys, busy busy. UPS killing me with overtime :-/ Yes i def had all nannies off, its pretty obvious after holding for 7 seconds and both tc and st lights come on. Stabilitrack is supposed to be off in ptm4-5 as well. Now this contradicts my 2nd gear issue but to test the stabilitrack (while off) i decided to do some powerslides and play around a bit. Not one issue, act like a jackass and put on a smoke show, no interference with nannies off.......YET......run it in a straight line and powershift the ** out of 2nd and BOOM stabilitrack says f* you. Explain that one :-/ All i know is the car was a whole different animal and no interference with the abs fuse pulled so that'll be my regular routine at the strip from now on. Now i just gotta practice launching with all that unleashed power lol And i had my 60fts down to consistent 2.0's too with abs fuse in...BOO! lol __________________

06-11-2014, 05:33 AM	#3
joes407 Drives: 2014 ZL1m6 red hot #569 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: florida Posts: 2,422	12.3 at 118 is a good time for stock in the manual

06-11-2014, 08:27 AM	#4
DavidW Drives: 2013 ZL1 Vert Auto IOM Join Date: May 2012 Location: Alberta Posts: 389	pull the abs fuse, thats the only way you can accomplish completely defeating any nannies as far as I know it seems like every gm vehicle will have a little bit of tc/st even when you do the button hold until it says stabilitrak disabled

06-11-2014, 12:09 PM	#6
DarthZL1 Drives: 2014 ZL1 M6 Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 331 View My Garage	Funny I just watched the video and read the owners manual about this, and THEY claim all the nannies are off at PTM5, and you are "on your own". I'm guessing that this is not really the case given the information above. Next time at the track, if you can, can you try back and forth? One run with the ABS fuse and one without (or multiple of each)? Be interesting data point.

06-11-2014, 01:00 PM	#8
TOYMARO Drives: 2011 Camaro SS/RS 2SS Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: here Posts: 591	um, i know obvious. But turning off the nannies.....you held the button for 5 seconds or more right?

06-11-2014, 10:55 PM	#14
jessrayo Speed Freak Drives: 2013 ZL1 Camaro, 2016 Camaro SS Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Ardmore, OK Posts: 2,637 View My Garage	Interesting observation. I know for certain that the computers do intervene when the car is in PTM 5. If you get going over 20 or 30 mph and try to do some high speed donuts it will cut the power as soon as the car starts going backward with the wheels spinning. If you hold the button for 7 seconds, right at the count of 7 the stability and traction control lights come on and it is supposed to be off, my line lock is supposed to kill the traction control but if I try to burnout in second gear in front of the water box it will kill the engine more often than not. I quit doing second gear burnouts because it was embarrassing to stall the motor and I just knew it was traction control of some kind.... Which fuse are you pulling, number 40? Second vertical one from the bottom? Or the bigger Jfuse number 43? __________________ 2016 SS -AGP twin Borg Warner 7163 EFR's, LT4 mechanical pump, LT4 injectors, Walbro 255 low side, Castrol SRF. 734whp/759 tq 2013 ZL1 -ADM - 427 LSX 6 bolt, O-ringed block built by LME. Twin PT6466 turbos. RPM custom manual trans, RPS Quad carbon clutch, 9" Hendrix rear diff & axles. ADM/squash fuel system, Ron Davis radiator, Spal fans, AGP air to air, turbo plumbing. LPE oil cooler, rear bushing upgrade, roll bar...etc. rwhp 1400+... 212.5mph, best Texas mile to date. Last edited by jessrayo; 06-11-2014 at 11:13 PM.