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DevilDawgSS · 09-27-2014, 03:09 PM

Interesting. If it works I am sure it adds fifty hp.

Jason@JacFab · 09-27-2014, 03:55 PM

Well I just got done tinkering with it... I can't say that it resulted in any kind of positive or negative change...

I was logging various throttle related items with HP tuners while messing with it. With the stock pedal, I could get the stock pedal position to 97-98% when flooring the pedal, I had to physically push the pedal to the point that I could feel it flexing to get to read 99% on HPT.

I swapped in the new pedal. I hooked it up but left the sensor loose so I could see what effects rotating it would have while watching HPT. Basically, the stock pedal was reading the pedal position was at 19% while not touching it, I was able to rotate the sensor in the pedal up to about 23% without even changing the idle. At 24% the idle had jumped up 100 rpms. At 25% 200 rpms... With the car off, I could now easily achieve a 99% reading of the pedal position at WOT without feeling like I was trying to push the pedal through the floor.

I found that it would somehow learn the new idle position that I would lock down the sensor in. I cranked it CCW as far as I could and tightened it down, idle was about 900ish... Rev it a few times and within a couple minutes, it had now dropped down to a normal idle but the pedal position still read 25-26%...

So in theory, I removed 5% of "dead space" from the pedal, and I can easily reach a full throttle reading without punishing the pedal.

Do I notice any difference on the street? Nothing conclusive? I have never noticed this "dead spot" you guys complain about anyway, TPS still reads only 84%

I'm going to leave it like that, getting rid of about 5% dead space seems good in my mind, and not having to push the pedal through the floor to actually see WOT is good.

Sorry it's not more exciting. I guess I'll have to buy into the hokus-pokus like all the rest and buy a throttle controller.

Jfoster · 09-27-2014, 07:33 PM

I for one appreciate the hard work and atleast now we know.

RubyCamaro · 09-27-2014, 09:14 PM

Very interesting!

ZYBORG · 09-27-2014, 09:45 PM

Jason,

What type of camaro did you do the testing on? SS or V6? Auto or manual?

There are 2 types of throttle delays to my knowledge. 1 is how fast the throttle responds while you are pressing it already and floor it (this type of delay is more like a sensitivity issue) And 2, the delay in response when you are completely off of the pedal and stab it, the throttle takes like .5 sec to respond. That is on a manual car.

I was hoping you would solve number 2.

Chaxce · 09-27-2014, 09:47 PM

Yeah I have an SS manual and there is definitely a big delay in pedal to when the rpms increase if this could be solved that would be amazing

Jason@JacFab · 09-28-2014, 11:07 AM

V6 auto

KaBoom1701 · 09-28-2014, 11:30 AM

Thanks for trying.

Just buy the Vitesse controller. You'll be surprised. Trust me....

They offer a 100% money back guarantee so it no big deal if you don't like it.

Settings #7-9 are where it's at though!

Nutbutt · 09-28-2014, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by RubyCamaro

Very interesting!

Go for it Ruby ! A definite improvement for an A6. Best bolt on besides the IPF sc. I was on the fence but once I felt it I'm hooked !

KaBoom1701 · 09-28-2014, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Nutbutt

Go for it Ruby ! A definite improvement for an A6. Best bolt on besides the IPF sc. I was on the fence but once I felt it I'm hooked !

I take it this has no ill effect with the IPF S/C as well?

I know some folks have asked about these two combos as well.

Nutbutt · 09-28-2014, 12:01 PM

So far no impact to the SC, and no impact to the IPF tune either. Really does improve the lag in the throttle on takeoff and every time you shift. There goes the gas milage again !

mpiersd · 09-29-2014, 12:04 PM

Curious to see the results after a few weeks of "real world" driving.

PoorMansCamaro · 09-29-2014, 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mpiersd

Curious to see the results after a few weeks of "real world" driving.

Real world perma-grins

ChibiBlackSheep · 09-29-2014, 12:39 PM

I'm sad it didn't work the same way as the throttle controller.

Also wish there was something we could do in HPTuners to modify the settings and not have to rely on the 3rd party controller.

09-27-2014, 09:14 PM	#32
RubyCamaro Jan Drives: 2010 Camaro 1LT Red Jewel tintcoat Join Date: May 2010 Location: Springfield, TN Posts: 16,225 View My Garage	Very interesting! __________________

09-27-2014, 09:45 PM	#33
ZYBORG Lets roll... Drives: 14' Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: TX/S.FL Posts: 1,496	Jason, What type of camaro did you do the testing on? SS or V6? Auto or manual? There are 2 types of throttle delays to my knowledge. 1 is how fast the throttle responds while you are pressing it already and floor it (this type of delay is more like a sensitivity issue) And 2, the delay in response when you are completely off of the pedal and stab it, the throttle takes like .5 sec to respond. That is on a manual car. I was hoping you would solve number 2. __________________

09-27-2014, 09:47 PM	#34
Chaxce Under construction... Drives: Black 2012 2SS Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Uvalde Tx Posts: 246	Yeah I have an SS manual and there is definitely a big delay in pedal to when the rpms increase if this could be solved that would be amazing __________________ 2012 2SS/RS, mods coming soon

09-28-2014, 11:30 AM	#36
KaBoom1701 KaBoom1701 Drives: 13' ZL1 Red M6 Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: I.E. SoCal (Yucaipa) Posts: 8,630	Thanks for trying. Just buy the Vitesse controller. You'll be surprised. Trust me.... They offer a 100% money back guarantee so it no big deal if you don't like it. Settings #7-9 are where it's at though! __________________ Mods: Roto-Fab Intake, WW Res. kit & Big Gulp Air Scoop, Elite Catch Can, ATI Super Damper & 18% OD Pulley, LF Idler pulley bracket, Metco CC breather, ID850 Injectors, Stainless Power Headers w/ ceramic coating, TR71X Spark Plugs, JMS Fuel Pump Booster, Bo White TB, Tuned by Ted @ Jannetty Racing, Ron Davis HX, D3 Reservoir, Pfadt 1" Springs, Moreno Camber Plates, ZL1 Addons Splitter guard washers, Tow Hook kit & rock guards, Hurst Shifter Billet Plus 6 Speed Short Shifter, ZL1 DRL lighting harness, ZL1 Recaro Seats.

09-28-2014, 12:01 PM	#39
Nutbutt Drives: 2011 RJT 2LT/RS Convertible Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Western Massachusetts Posts: 3,381 View My Garage	So far no impact to the SC, and no impact to the IPF tune either. Really does improve the lag in the throttle on takeoff and every time you shift. There goes the gas milage again ! __________________ 1st IPF Supercharged 2011 2LT/RS RJT Convertible

09-27-2014, 03:09 PM	#29
DevilDawgSS Drives: 2010 Camaro SS Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Pearland, TX Posts: 61 View My Garage	Interesting. If it works I am sure it adds fifty hp.

09-27-2014, 03:55 PM	#30
Jason@JacFab Drives: 2016 1LT RS Camaro; 72 Chevelle Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Central Point, OR Posts: 5,688 View My Garage	Well I just got done tinkering with it... I can't say that it resulted in any kind of positive or negative change... I was logging various throttle related items with HP tuners while messing with it. With the stock pedal, I could get the stock pedal position to 97-98% when flooring the pedal, I had to physically push the pedal to the point that I could feel it flexing to get to read 99% on HPT. I swapped in the new pedal. I hooked it up but left the sensor loose so I could see what effects rotating it would have while watching HPT. Basically, the stock pedal was reading the pedal position was at 19% while not touching it, I was able to rotate the sensor in the pedal up to about 23% without even changing the idle. At 24% the idle had jumped up 100 rpms. At 25% 200 rpms... With the car off, I could now easily achieve a 99% reading of the pedal position at WOT without feeling like I was trying to push the pedal through the floor. I found that it would somehow learn the new idle position that I would lock down the sensor in. I cranked it CCW as far as I could and tightened it down, idle was about 900ish... Rev it a few times and within a couple minutes, it had now dropped down to a normal idle but the pedal position still read 25-26%... So in theory, I removed 5% of "dead space" from the pedal, and I can easily reach a full throttle reading without punishing the pedal. Do I notice any difference on the street? Nothing conclusive? I have never noticed this "dead spot" you guys complain about anyway, TPS still reads only 84% I'm going to leave it like that, getting rid of about 5% dead space seems good in my mind, and not having to push the pedal through the floor to actually see WOT is good. Sorry it's not more exciting. I guess I'll have to buy into the hokus-pokus like all the rest and buy a throttle controller.

09-27-2014, 07:33 PM	#31
Jfoster Drives: 2016 GT vert. Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: La Posts: 198	I for one appreciate the hard work and atleast now we know.

09-28-2014, 11:07 AM	#35
Jason@JacFab Drives: 2016 1LT RS Camaro; 72 Chevelle Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Central Point, OR Posts: 5,688 View My Garage	V6 auto

09-29-2014, 12:04 PM	#40
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09-29-2014, 12:39 PM	#42
ChibiBlackSheep Drives: 2012 2SS/RS, 1968 SS Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Southeast, PA Posts: 2,092	I'm sad it didn't work the same way as the throttle controller. Also wish there was something we could do in HPTuners to modify the settings and not have to rely on the 3rd party controller. __________________ LS3 Crate Engine Swap \| CSP Custom Cam 232/240 .615/.615 113 +3 \| Stainless Power LT Headers \| Z28 Intake \| Borla S-Type Exhaust \| FTI Triple-Disc Billet 3200 Stall 2012 Camaro 2SS/RS \| 1968 Camaro SS \| 2020 Cadillac CT5 Premium Luxury \| 2021 Spark LS