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IDEALG · 04-10-2012, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by blumaro

I dug around and found the link you were referring to:

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-t...ur-clutch.html

Good stuff. IDEALG is correct about this problem afflicting brand new cars. My car just broke 1500 miles. The first time I screamed it up to 6000 rpm it had 800 miles on it...grind. In horror, I pulled into the liquor store to grab some brews and let it cool down a bit. Pulled back onto the road and blasted up to 6000 and grind again. My head was about to explode (glad I grabbed some beers). I tried it one more time and made for-damn-sure that the clutch pedal was slammed onto the floor then I slowed down the 1 -2 shift just a bit and it went right in, no problem. My 4th gen never had this problem. It could take what ever I could dish out including bouncing it off the rev limiter, no-lift-shift style. The new car is very disappointing indeed.

That Vette article has me wondering if the Camaro has forward bell housing panels? Not so much for debris removal, but for added cooling. I haven't had my car long enough to have spent much time under it, so I just don't know. My other thought is, and perhaps IDEALG can chime in, how close is the clutch master cylinder to the exhaust manifold/system? There tends to be a huge amount of heat generated by the exhaust when driving the car hard. Perhaps a well placed heat shield could protect the master cylinder.

A heat shield wouldn't hurt but i dont feel the clutch master cylinder is getting hot especially because its mounted inside the car and not outside. it mounts to your clutch pedal bracket inside the car. However it is possible that the hydraulic lines are getting too hot But i still disbelieve this since i know camaro owners who have the all new hydraulic line from Tick performance which are suppose to help against heat and swelling of the line and they still have problems. This grind is just a nitemare

IDEALG · 04-10-2012, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberPredator

I too was thinking that. My tranny since new did the 2nd gear grind but what I did notice is that it's smoother around 150° but when it gets to 180° it grinds every high rpm1-2 shifts. Which mine gets hot quick now because of Turbos. I was thinking Turbo bags and exhaust wrap.

Since you have turbos i would assume you are creating more heat then those of us without turbos so in this case i would recommend trying to devert the heat away from hydraulics.

Mach · 04-10-2012, 03:10 PM

Hey IDEAL.. Did you find a v6 grinder yet?

IDEALG · 04-10-2012, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Mach

Hey IDEAL.. Did you find a v6 grinder yet?

Yes i have a V6 grinder lined up for Saturday.

Mach · 04-10-2012, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by IDEALG

Yes i have a V6 grinder lined up for Saturday.

Looking forward to great results. Thanks!

IDEALG · 04-10-2012, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Mach

Looking forward to great results. Thanks!

Me too

dekan513 · 04-10-2012, 08:51 PM

just reading thru this my car does good on shifting no problems at all stock clutches and all but my pedal does stick sometimes does anyone make like a return spring to put on these to help?

The 2010 Sin · 04-10-2012, 09:34 PM

lingenfelter has a return spring. and it helps pull the pedal off the floor. Tick Performance also makes a braided and insulated line that goes from the slave to the master so it doesnt heat up and become pliable.. because if it does what happens is you press the clutch pedal in and the rubber hose expands and doesnt allow enough pressure to activate the slave cyl. Crapppppyyy GM designs here folks.

IDEALG · 04-11-2012, 11:36 AM

I will have the V6 and SS cylinders ready for testing today.

also check out what came in today, 20 SS cylinders now i have to test every one of them ugh.

bcarkle · 04-11-2012, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by IDEALG

I will have the V6 and SS cylinders ready for testing today.

also check out what came in today, 20 SS cylinders now i have to test every one of them ugh.

Looks like fun. "WHEN" this works I want to be the first one in Washington State

Thanks for all your hard work.

VEESIKS · 04-11-2012, 02:50 PM

Hey IDEALG do you have a way of checking to see if the SS clutch line is interchangable with the V6 line in this process? I am wanting to put the stainless line on mine but not sure if it will work. Thanks!

IDEALG · 04-11-2012, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by 2011Camaro

Hey IDEALG do you have a way of checking to see if the SS clutch line is interchangable with the V6 line in this process? I am wanting to put the stainless line on mine but not sure if it will work. Thanks!

where it connects to the master cylinder it will be the same. i used the same line to test the SS and the V6 cylinders using the factory clips and all. I dont know if its the same fitting on the trans though. i haven't had a V6 here in the shop yet.

CyberPredator · 04-11-2012, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by IDEALG

I will have the V6 and SS cylinders ready for testing today.

also check out what came in today, 20 SS cylinders now i have to test every one of them ugh.

Gettin excited

piticu667 · 04-11-2012, 03:45 PM

Guys looks like this weekend we will know if this will fix the v6 issue. Driving to Jersey to test the v6 IDEALG made.

View Poll Results: if you definitely want a cylinder please chose V6 or SS. need to figure out how many
I own a V6	20	20.83%
I own a V6 but will wait for a core exchange	7	7.29%
I own a SS	50	52.08%
I own a SS but will wait for a core exchange	21	21.88%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 96. You may not vote on this poll

04-10-2012, 03:10 PM	#143
Mach Drives: White M6 1LT RS Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Canton, MI Posts: 1,676	Hey IDEAL.. Did you find a v6 grinder yet? __________________ Pfadt Sway Bars - FE3 Suspension - Barton Shifter - IdealG's Clutch Master Cylinder - Trifecta - Vmax TB - Vararam Intake - MACE 25mm Insulator - Plenum Insulator - Ported/Gasket Matched Intake Manifold - Rx Catchcan - AAC DRL's - 4 Pack Aux Gauges - Steering Controls - AAC Afterburners - DIY Led Sidemarkers - ZL1 Front End Next mod: Done!

04-10-2012, 08:51 PM	#147
dekan513 chevy pride Drives: 2ss/rs Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: pikeville ky Posts: 2,141 View My Garage	just reading thru this my car does good on shifting no problems at all stock clutches and all but my pedal does stick sometimes does anyone make like a return spring to put on these to help? __________________ check out ky speeds fb page https://www.facebook.com/kyspeed

04-10-2012, 09:34 PM	#148
The 2010 Sin Dont H8 Me Cuz U Aint Me Drives: 2016 SS Sedan, 2017 Explorer Sport Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Tulsa, Oklahoma Posts: 2,910	lingenfelter has a return spring. and it helps pull the pedal off the floor. Tick Performance also makes a braided and insulated line that goes from the slave to the master so it doesnt heat up and become pliable.. because if it does what happens is you press the clutch pedal in and the rubber hose expands and doesnt allow enough pressure to activate the slave cyl. Crapppppyyy GM designs here folks. __________________

04-11-2012, 11:36 AM	#149
IDEALG Chevy's "Rumble" Best! Drives: 2015 ZL1 6 speed Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Ideal Garage aka (Grayskull) Fords, nj Posts: 4,458 View My Garage	I will have the V6 and SS cylinders ready for testing today. also check out what came in today, 20 SS cylinders now i have to test every one of them ugh. Attached Images __________________

04-11-2012, 02:50 PM	#151
VEESIKS formerly 2011Camaro Drives: 2011 Camaro LS IBM M6 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Fredericksburg, VA Posts: 816	Hey IDEALG do you have a way of checking to see if the SS clutch line is interchangable with the V6 line in this process? I am wanting to put the stainless line on mine but not sure if it will work. Thanks! __________________ Born on the Island and raised in the sand. Semper Fidelis

04-11-2012, 03:45 PM	#154
piticu667 Drives: 2010 Camaro Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Ontario in the commie North Posts: 422	Guys looks like this weekend we will know if this will fix the v6 issue. Driving to Jersey to test the v6 IDEALG made.

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