04-04-2014, 01:15 AM | #15 |
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Really just give the Z/28 a short run with a really fast shifting transmission and I think it would be able to take this GT3.
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04-04-2014, 09:51 AM | #16 |
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I have both cars on order, and have owned both the 996 and 997 GT3s, and tracked both.
It's amazing what the Z/28 has done. It's like Team Camaro dropped an atom bomb. But, the badassTrofeos explain the corner grip to a large extent, as they offer near Hoosier levels of stick. They really aren't in any fashion street tires and have all the drawbacks of aggressive R comps on the street. Trofeos on the GT3 and we'll see a well driven GT3 walk the Z/28. I have no axe to grind as I'm enamored with both cars. Even though the Z's shoes have a lot to do with the published laptimes, and while one can simply throw trofeos on the GT3 (they offer sizing close enough), the one thing the Z has going for it in this regard, is that it was engineered from the factory for this rubber. *That* is a huge benefit as those fancy dampers were tuned for trofeos. ---------------------- OTOH, one thing that will suck super bad with the Z, is that the trofeos will be terrible on the street. Rain or cool days. Take your pick, you'll be hating life. I plan on a set of street tires/wheels to use around town and swap to Trofeos for track use. Or Hoosiers if I'm feeling giddy. |
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The tires are the cost of admission to sit at the fast-laptime table. Pay up or eat elsewhere, it shouldn't be hard to understand. Figure 2000 miles for road use or 70 track laps when driven fast and well. If you drive with a lot of slip angle, halve that. Folks who think smoky burnouts are cool could easily see $1200 go up in smoke in a few minutes. Rinse, repeat, enjoy.
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04-04-2014, 10:19 AM | #18 |
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I can't wait to see someone get one of these things over the 600hp mark. That thing will be smoking damn near everything then. It would be cool if GM offered a hopped up version.
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Slow down here before you get attacked. I have been saying that most of the performance out of this thing is due to the wheels and tires and that a zl1 will be just as quick with the same set up.
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04-04-2014, 11:19 AM | #20 | |
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Jackie Stewart was my hero as a kid, so I try very hard to be smooth. The problem is, these cars are such a blast to drive that you have to control your inner hoonigan... Per my other thread HERE , I'm also looking to have two sets of wheels -- one track set and one fairly racy street set -- for transit and to use on track if things are damp. Zfatuated, do I hear you saying you're considering a third set by adding Hoosiers to your quiver?!?
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04-04-2014, 11:20 AM | #21 |
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So it appears you are smarter than the engineers at GM.. If it were as simple as just slapping these tires on the ZL1 to make a faster car don't you think they would have just done that? Why waste millions engineering this car to be a beast on the track when tires are the only thing that it takes to put down these times? Please explain to me how GM could be this stupid. Obviously better tires will help any car, but there is way more to it than that. No need to go into all of the unique equipment on the Z28 as its posted in a lot of other threads, but I think these advancements may be helping the Z28 around the track as well lol.
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Go ahead, attack away. I'm interested in hearing anything I stated in my post with which you can disagree using a cogent argument. As for your Zl1 v. Z/28 argument, disagree. Wheels are a small part of the Z/28's laptimes IMO. I make this statement based on having run light and heavy wheels on much lower hp, much lower weight cars. The Z28 runs like a scalded cat relative to teh Zl1 for other reasons: tire, brakes, trick suspension, lowered center of gravity, n/a non-heat soaking engine with upgraded cooling capacity, aero, and lower weight. But if you added the Z/28's wheels, tires, suspension, aero, and removed a few hundred pounds you'd be most of the way there. But at that point. . . it makes sense to sell the Zl1 and buy a Z/28. |
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I do agree the Trofeo R's are good tires. I'll be interested to compare lap times with and without them. Uh, I guess I mean with them and with another set of wheels/tires...
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04-04-2014, 12:31 PM | #25 | |
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at 400+lbs more weight - the ZL1 needs more than a good set of tires it needs a diet |
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04-04-2014, 12:43 PM | #26 |
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I'm pretty sure I can make up half a second worth of time for less than $10,000 worth of mods to a Z/28 and still have enough left over from the $56,000 difference between these two cars to buy several sets of tires and add some interior touches to make the car more livable on the way home... lol
I agree that the tires are really helping this car do what it does... but isn't that the point? to design and build a car to go fast based on what you KNOW will make it go fast? I'd have to say this is proof that the Z/28 team knocked this one right out of the ballpark in that respect.
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04-04-2014, 12:50 PM | #27 | |
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the real question is: with a $10,000-17,000 difference between the ZL1 and Z/28, can you buy enough mods to make the ZL1 outrun the Z/28? I believe you can... $2000 for tires, $2000 in exhaust and $4000 in engine upgrades and you're going to be staring pretty hard at the GT3 and Z/28's taillights, if not looking at their headlights in the rear view mirror... factor in about $5000 in brake upgrades and you'll be doing even better than that. the ZL1 is no slouch... it's a competent machine with a boatload of power... you might be surprised by what slapping a set of super sticky tires can do for a car that is well driven.
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04-04-2014, 01:17 PM | #28 |
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For my usage scenario, the ZL1 is simply not an option. I don't beleive it can tolerate hard track usage in 90-to-100+ degree ambient temps. I also prefer the lighter weight and sound of the Z/28, along with its more track-centric focus. I look forward to seeing someone modify the ZL1 and then accurately comparing it to the Z/28. Until then, we don't know how successful those mods might be...
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