Road Racing Alignment Setup for the 2010 Camaro

[Avalnch]

Hey everyone!

I'm going to my first autocross event (since I gave up my Gen3 to have kids) and am wondering if any members have/know what a good alignment setup would be for the 2SS/RS? Has anyone autocrossed/roadraced their car yet?

I'm not looking for all-out agressive setups, still would like to be able to drive it on the streets and get (reasonably) good wear on the P-Zeros (since there're no 20" R-compound tires out there, yet).

Thanks

[Mr Twisty]

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71994

Good info in the sticky

[Info@PeddersUSA.com]

Originally Posted by Avalnch

Hey everyone!

I'm going to my first autocross event (since I gave up my Gen3 to have kids) and am wondering if any members have/know what a good alignment setup would be for the 2SS/RS? Has anyone autocrossed/roadraced their car yet?

I'm not looking for all-out agressive setups, still would like to be able to drive it on the streets and get (reasonably) good wear on the P-Zeros (since there're no 20" R-compound tires out there, yet).

Thanks

Tell us about your mods first

mike
dms

[Avalnch]

No suspension mods at this time, stock height and parts. I'll probably get this done over the winter time. For now, I just want to get used to the car's sight lines and "feel".

The mods I have in mind will be simple front & rear bars only. I like the stock ride height and cushy ride too much.

Thanks.

[Avalnch]

Originally Posted by MisterCamaro69

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71994

Good info in the sticky

Thanks for the link MisterCamaro69! Good info on that thread. Saved me a tonne of time searching through the forums.

[Info@PeddersUSA.com]

Originally Posted by Avalnch

No suspension mods at this time, stock height and parts. I'll probably get this done over the winter time. For now, I just want to get used to the car's sight lines and "feel".

The mods I have in mind will be simple front & rear bars only. I like the stock ride height and cushy ride too much.

Thanks.

The challenge with the aggressive settings like we have on the zPedders Camaro, is the major differences there are in Geometry changes between OE and say a fully Peddersized Camaro. You will handle much better, but your tires will suffer for sure

mike
dms

[PfadtRacing]

Avalnch, this is a copy of our post in that thread that was linked to. This will outline our recommended settings for various uses.

[JusticePete]

Interesting suggestions in the thread. We take a very different approach.

Front
Camber -2 to 2.5
Toe - OUT .25 to 1

Rear
Camber - Half the front value
Toe - Zero

You can get from OE to these numbers without buying anything. You'll find the car turns in much better and the on center steering feel is greatly improved. These numbers will wear tires. My RE-11 180 tread wear tires will get about 14K VERY HARD miles of life using these settings above. You can dial these back and get better tire life using these numbers.

Front
Camber - -1.5
Toe - OUT .10

Rear
Camber - Half the front value
Toe - Zero

Again, you will find your on center steering feel improved. Cutting rear camber to half the front will reduce understeer. Your P Zeros will wear well. Not as good as OE specs, maybe 20 to 25% faster, but much of that wear will be due to thoroughly enjoyable aggressive driving.

[Avalnch]

Originally Posted by JusticePete

Interesting suggestions in the thread. We take a very different approach.

Front
Camber -2 to 2.5
Toe - OUT .25 to 1

Rear
Camber - Half the front value
Toe - Zero

You can get from OE to these numbers without buying anything. You'll find the car turns in much better and the on center steering feel is greatly improved. These numbers will wear tires. My RE-11 180 tread wear tires will get about 14K VERY HARD miles of life using these settings above. You can dial these back and get better tire life using these numbers.

Front
Camber - -1.5
Toe - OUT .10

Rear
Camber - Half the front value
Toe - Zero

Again, you will find your on center steering feel improved. Cutting rear camber to half the front will reduce understeer. Your P Zeros will wear well. Not as good as OE specs, maybe 20 to 25% faster, but much of that wear will be due to thoroughly enjoyable aggressive driving.

Thanks, JusticePete!

These numbers are very similar to my previous Gen3 setup (if my aging memory serves me right). Just gotta tweak the rear and I think I'll be good to go!

[Hotchkis]

We definitely want to encourage as many people as possible to attend track events with their Camaros!

Hotchkis quick facts:


· With stock and our sport coils we have seen minute ride height variances, with most cars at or under 1/16” and only one with a corner measurement variance of 1/8”


· Even after 1000’s of punishing street and track miles we have not seen our sport coils settle. We design our coil springs to be low stressed and spec high tensile excellent quality steel to eliminate any possibility of material fatigue. Our coils are preset during manufacturing, compressed to coil bind to ensure proper load height, shot peened to relieve material stress and most important, are made in the USA.


· So far we have not found it necessary to grind out any alignment holes to achieve a proper street/track performance alignment.


Alignment specs for the 2010 Camaro SS:


STOCK SPECIFICATIONS-STOCK SPRINGS

FRONT:

· CAMBER: 0° to -1.6°

· CASTER 6.70° - 7.10°

· TOE: 0 TO 1/8” TOTAL TOE IN

REAR:

· CAMBER: 0° to -1.0°

· TOE: 0 TO 1/8” TOTAL TOE IN


MEASUREMENT MINIMUMS & MAXIMUMS FOR HOTCHKIS SPORT COIL EQUIPPED VEHICLES


These are not our recommended alignment specs. They represent the alignment range possible with our sport coils installed.

Note the increased neg. camber of the lowered car is beneficial to performance handling.


FRONT:

· CAMBER: -0.4° to -2.6°

REAR:

· CAMBER: -0.7° to -1.8°


HOTCHKIS PERFORMANCE STREET SETUP

FRONT:

· CAMBER: -1° to -1.4°

· CASTER 7.00° - 7.50°

· TOE: 1/16” TOTAL TOE IN

REAR:

· CAMBER: -0.8°

· TOE: 1/16” to 1/8” TOTAL TOE IN


HOTCHKIS TRACK DAY/STREET SETUP

FRONT:

· CAMBER: -2.0° to - 2.5°

· CASTER 7.00° - 7.50°

· TOE: 0 to 1/16” TOTAL TOE IN

REAR:

· CAMBER: -1.0° to - 1.25°

· TOE: 1/16” to 1/8” TOTAL TOE IN


We determined our recommended alignment settings through street and track testing using the stock Pirelli tires. These settings are a great place to start offering acceptable tire wear and grip in a variety of performance driving conditions. Driving styles, track condition, tire selection, tire pressure and most importantly tire temperatures across the face of the tire are the determining factors of final alignment settings.

[SSchuu]

Great info. Thanks guys

[Info@PeddersUSA.com]

Originally Posted by SSchuu

Great info. Thanks guys

So how did the alignment turn out?

mike

[JusticePete]

Bump for member results.

[toehead93]

What does a typical alignment like this cost and will your everyday Firestone or Tires Plus provide a quality alignment? I can't find any performace shops in West Palm Beach FL that do alignments.

I'm shooting for the following with +2" Pedders coilover drop.
Front Camber -1
Front Toe -.05

Rear Camber -.5
Rear Toe -.05