Thinking of trading to a 4th gen..... - Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums

SSinisterLS3 · 04-27-2013, 07:37 PM

As many of you know, I have been looking to trade in my camaro for quite some time. I've weighed the options, and found a great deal on a few 4th gen camaros. I drove my camaro today, and remembered many things I loved about the 4th gen I used to have. I really want to find one, or a trans am WS6, and I have many...many options. The main reason I want to is the cost. The new SS is just way too expensive. I pay almost 500 a month, and I rarely drive it. When I do, I love it, but this car feels like there is something missing. With all of the issues I've had with it, I think everytime I make a payment "Jeeze. Another four years?" I don't think my car is worth 500 a month for the next four years.

I found a few 4th gens with mileage close to what I have on the 5th gen. I have seen them for as low as 10 grand. LOL. That's just ridiculous. For a car that slaps up the same quarter times as our new SS line, that just seems to be the better choice. The aftermarket support is not RIDICULOUSLY priced as the 5th gen is. 500 buck intakes? Do I drive an SS, or a GTR? They are the same price as Nismo intakes for a 370Z...and you get two intakes on the 370.

I could save 150 a month, finance a 4th gen for 24 months, and own a camaro in 2 years. I could also have a t bar, which, jeebus, I've always loved. No warranty, but the warranty through GM is a joke. Allison transmissions are not Allison transmissions? Really? It's a lawsuit. Look it up. Not covering Z06 engines for valve issues? Really? Aftermarket means....GM aftermarket? That's another law suit.

I love the fact I get a Hurst tranny in the 4th, when the 5ths didn't get them for years. I love how the 4th has 100 less horses, but posts same 1/4 times. I love how people who put 30k in a new SS are running.....TENS and HIGH NINES....really? So, I want this to happen, and am looking for a reason why not to. That's what I'm asking. What is better on the new 5th gens that the 4ths really messed up on? I can't think of anything except mp3, heated seats, and back up assist. All things that weigh the 5th down way too much...and are pointless. They make Cadillacs with LS engines for people who want that.

I paid 26 something contract for my SS used. It's a 2SS/RS loaded. My brother just sold one off of his lot, a 1SS with 40k miles. Some retard PAID 30,299 for it. So, trade is no problem as down here, these things are sought after. Why? I guess the styling. Car and Driver put it best when they reviewed the fifth gen. The performance is what we expect. The braking and handling is what we expect. The only thing outside the norm is the styling. After seeing so many on the streets, the styling loses its appeal. Then, you are left with a vehicle that is just par.

Thoughts on 4th vs 5th? Keep in mind, I want to build it. Track it. I will not drive it daily.

Cam2011 · 04-27-2013, 07:40 PM

Sounds to me like you're getting a 4th gen? Enjoy.

Obzen · 04-27-2013, 07:40 PM

Sure go ahead.

ICTsccaCamaro · 04-27-2013, 07:51 PM

Watching the old 4th gens flop and roll and slide out at autocross makes us very happy we are in a 5th gen, but we are into very different types of motorsports

SSinisterLS3 · 04-27-2013, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ICTsccaCamaro

Watching the old 4th gens flop and roll and slide out at autocross makes us very happy we are in a 5th gen, but we are into very different types of motorsports

Awesome point! 5ths handle much better FOR SURE in my driving experience. However, autocross won't be what I will use my 4th for. Straight lines only.

73camarolt · 04-27-2013, 08:05 PM

4th gens are great. I love mine. One of the main reasons is how cheap the mods are. You can replace the whole exhaust on a 4th gen for $1000 or a catback on a 5th gen for the same price haha. BTW, I ran 13.5 on a mainly stock Ls1 6spd. Did I mention I'm 18 and it was my first time. These cars have 12's in them with very little mods.

11TexaSS · 04-27-2013, 08:12 PM

In your case I'd say go fir the WS6, it's a hot car. Especially a Firehawk if you can find one. I myself love my ss. Good luck and I hope you're happy with your decision. Rock On!!

Cheveey57 · 04-27-2013, 08:19 PM

Do you really like the 4th gens that much? I mean if you're going to build it, why not a 1st or second gen.?

LS1hawk · 04-27-2013, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ICTsccaCamaro

Watching the old 4th gens flop and roll and slide out at autocross makes us very happy we are in a 5th gen, but we are into very different types of motorsports

Your car seems to be set up for auto cross and a similarly set up 4th gen will do well also. Stock 5th gens will "flop and roll" on the autocross course . I wouldn't let a little roll stop someone from getting a 4th gen. That can be easily fixed.

ZR1/2SS · 04-27-2013, 08:37 PM

I understand where you're coming from. Back in 2009 (recession kick my ass) I sold my $500 a month fully loaded 08 SRT8 Charger and never look back. I love that car but my wallet didn't. Depreciation value on Detroit performance cars are steep. If you did the math I'm sure you know that in 4 years you'd have paid way over the retail price of that 5th gen Camaro that's only worth half it's value.

I've learned that in todays world that buying a brand new car is truly a waste of money! Preowned is the way to go. Oh btw this is what replaced the Charger with no car payment!!!

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I can mod the hell out of it every month with the savings!

slomaro3.4 · 04-27-2013, 08:39 PM

WS6 plus ridiculous mods would be a slick ride. I struggled with trading in my 2000 bird for my camaro, but I absolutely love it and haven't looked back since.

Fiveg56 · 04-27-2013, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ZR1/2SS

I understand where you're coming from. Back in 2009 (recession kick my ass) I sold my $500 a month fully loaded 08 SRT8 Charger and never look back. I love that car but my wallet didn't. Depreciation value on Detroit performance cars are steep. If you did the math I'm sure you know that in 4 years you'd have paid way over the retail price of that 5th gen Camaro that's only worth half it's value.

I've learned that in todays world that buying a brand new car is truly a waste of money! Preowned is the way to go. Oh btw this is what replaced the Charger with no car payment!!!

Uploaded with ImageShack.us

I can mod the hell out of it every month with the savings!

Beautiful ride.

Palutz59 · 04-27-2013, 08:49 PM

You seem to have all the right reasons not to have regrets later so go for it! I sold my 02 SS Arctic White M6 years ago and I regret it now just because I should have just kept it for a personal collection. Those were some sweet cars so do it man. Anytime decisions make sense financially then it's a no brainer.

Palutz59 · 04-27-2013, 08:49 PM

Btw I loved the T-Tops and I wish the 5th gen had them.

04-27-2013, 07:37 PM	#1
SSinisterLS3 Drives: 07 C6 LS2 Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Houston Posts: 174	Thinking of trading to a 4th gen..... As many of you know, I have been looking to trade in my camaro for quite some time. I've weighed the options, and found a great deal on a few 4th gen camaros. I drove my camaro today, and remembered many things I loved about the 4th gen I used to have. I really want to find one, or a trans am WS6, and I have many...many options. The main reason I want to is the cost. The new SS is just way too expensive. I pay almost 500 a month, and I rarely drive it. When I do, I love it, but this car feels like there is something missing. With all of the issues I've had with it, I think everytime I make a payment "Jeeze. Another four years?" I don't think my car is worth 500 a month for the next four years. I found a few 4th gens with mileage close to what I have on the 5th gen. I have seen them for as low as 10 grand. LOL. That's just ridiculous. For a car that slaps up the same quarter times as our new SS line, that just seems to be the better choice. The aftermarket support is not RIDICULOUSLY priced as the 5th gen is. 500 buck intakes? Do I drive an SS, or a GTR? They are the same price as Nismo intakes for a 370Z...and you get two intakes on the 370. I could save 150 a month, finance a 4th gen for 24 months, and own a camaro in 2 years. I could also have a t bar, which, jeebus, I've always loved. No warranty, but the warranty through GM is a joke. Allison transmissions are not Allison transmissions? Really? It's a lawsuit. Look it up. Not covering Z06 engines for valve issues? Really? Aftermarket means....GM aftermarket? That's another law suit. I love the fact I get a Hurst tranny in the 4th, when the 5ths didn't get them for years. I love how the 4th has 100 less horses, but posts same 1/4 times. I love how people who put 30k in a new SS are running.....TENS and HIGH NINES....really? So, I want this to happen, and am looking for a reason why not to. That's what I'm asking. What is better on the new 5th gens that the 4ths really messed up on? I can't think of anything except mp3, heated seats, and back up assist. All things that weigh the 5th down way too much...and are pointless. They make Cadillacs with LS engines for people who want that. I paid 26 something contract for my SS used. It's a 2SS/RS loaded. My brother just sold one off of his lot, a 1SS with 40k miles. Some retard PAID 30,299 for it. So, trade is no problem as down here, these things are sought after. Why? I guess the styling. Car and Driver put it best when they reviewed the fifth gen. The performance is what we expect. The braking and handling is what we expect. The only thing outside the norm is the styling. After seeing so many on the streets, the styling loses its appeal. Then, you are left with a vehicle that is just par. Thoughts on 4th vs 5th? Keep in mind, I want to build it. Track it. I will not drive it daily. __________________ 2011-Black LS3 2SS/RS-SOLD 2007-Victory Red C6-Magnacharged (M112 Intercooled), B/B Bullets, Lingenfelter Hood/Tune/Valve Covers, AR Catted Long Tubes, K/N Drop Ins, much more

04-27-2013, 07:51 PM	#4
ICTsccaCamaro ITCRNRS Drives: 2018 ZL1 1LE Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Wichita KS Posts: 1,575	Watching the old 4th gens flop and roll and slide out at autocross makes us very happy we are in a 5th gen, but we are into very different types of motorsports __________________ 2018 ZL1 1LE Ordered 6/29/17 Built 11/6/17 Delivered 12/7/17, Summit White, PDR, NAV, https://www.youtube.com/c/tylerpotter SOLD: 2014 Summit White 1LE 2SS/RS, Recaros, NPP, NAV, KONI Yellow's SOLD: 2012 Black 2LT/RS, Fully 1LE swapped, Brembo swap

04-27-2013, 08:05 PM	#6
73camarolt Drives: 2002 Camaro SS Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Germantown, MD Posts: 2,355 View My Garage	4th gens are great. I love mine. One of the main reasons is how cheap the mods are. You can replace the whole exhaust on a 4th gen for $1000 or a catback on a 5th gen for the same price haha. BTW, I ran 13.5 on a mainly stock Ls1 6spd. Did I mention I'm 18 and it was my first time. These cars have 12's in them with very little mods. __________________ 2002 Camaro SS- BTR Stage 3, 799 Heads, Bolt on's Tuned by John at Broadview Automotive.. 420hp and 400tq

04-27-2013, 08:19 PM	#8
Cheveey57 Drives: 2010 Camaro 2LT RS Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Long Island Posts: 1,425	Do you really like the 4th gens that much? I mean if you're going to build it, why not a 1st or second gen.? __________________ If you're not living on the edge, you're taking up too much space.

04-27-2013, 08:37 PM	#10
ZR1/2SS Drives: 2002 CETA Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Sherman Oaks,CA Posts: 30	I understand where you're coming from. Back in 2009 (recession kick my ass) I sold my $500 a month fully loaded 08 SRT8 Charger and never look back. I love that car but my wallet didn't. Depreciation value on Detroit performance cars are steep. If you did the math I'm sure you know that in 4 years you'd have paid way over the retail price of that 5th gen Camaro that's only worth half it's value. I've learned that in todays world that buying a brand new car is truly a waste of money! Preowned is the way to go. Oh btw this is what replaced the Charger with no car payment!!! Uploaded with ImageShack.us I can mod the hell out of it every month with the savings! __________________ A10 or not to A10 that is the question?

04-27-2013, 07:40 PM	#2
Cam2011 Drives: 2011 Camaro 2SS/RS Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: CT Posts: 2,061	Sounds to me like you're getting a 4th gen? Enjoy.

04-27-2013, 07:40 PM	#3
Obzen Pull up Cougar! Drives: 2016 2SS Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: San Diego Posts: 2,875	Sure go ahead.

04-27-2013, 08:12 PM	#7
11TexaSS Drives: 2011RedJewel, FI Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: San Antonio,TX Posts: 816	In your case I'd say go fir the WS6, it's a hot car. Especially a Firehawk if you can find one. I myself love my ss. Good luck and I hope you're happy with your decision. Rock On!!

04-27-2013, 08:39 PM	#11
slomaro3.4 Drives: SS/RS L99 Crew Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Florida/Pittsburgh/San Diego Posts: 439	WS6 plus ridiculous mods would be a slick ride. I struggled with trading in my 2000 bird for my camaro, but I absolutely love it and haven't looked back since. __________________ #YOLO

04-27-2013, 08:49 PM	#13
Palutz59 Account Suspended Drives: '14 1LE soon Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: SoCal Posts: 59	You seem to have all the right reasons not to have regrets later so go for it! I sold my 02 SS Arctic White M6 years ago and I regret it now just because I should have just kept it for a personal collection. Those were some sweet cars so do it man. Anytime decisions make sense financially then it's a no brainer.