Extra coats of Clear Coat for ZL1s? - Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums

bbboomer54 · 07-01-2011, 08:41 AM

Can those with the connections to GM ask them to put an extra coat of Clear Coat on the ZL1 (and all Camaros) so that we can feel confident about wet-sanding. I want a finish like the one that is going around to the shows right now. You know they are not going to come off the assembly line like that. We deserve to have a finish like that on our cars.

The Stig · 07-01-2011, 08:47 AM

Let me call Scott up, he'll take care of it.

Seriously though, to have a show finish on a mass produced car would add at least 4 grand to MSRP

oldfriend · 07-01-2011, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by stieger

Let me call Scott up, he'll take care of it.

Seriously though, to have a show finish on a mass produced car would add at least 4 grand to MSRP

Plus 2k dealer markup

Shurenuff · 07-01-2011, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by bbboomer54

Can those with the connections to GM ask them to put an extra coat of Clear Coat on the ZL1 (and all Camaros) so that we can feel confident about wet-sanding. I want a finish like the one that is going around to the shows right now. You know they are not going to come off the assembly line like that. We deserve to have a finish like that on our cars.

And believe me, you don't want the same finish as the ZL1 show car that was debuted in Chicago. I'm not sure who was responsible for cleaning the thing, but the clearcoat was in pretty bad shape in some areas, really scratched up. One of the worst areas was around the ZL1 badge on the hood. It looked like someone took a scotchbrite pad to it, WTF?!?

*radz28* · 07-01-2011, 09:07 AM

I'm surprised by some of the finishes I've seen from GM lately. My car in particular, seemed very dull and the orange peal immediately jumped out at me. There were some circumstances that contributed to the dull finish, I'll admit, but it hasn't been only my car. Perhaps it was the plant it was manufactured or something else that I'm not thinking or know about, but it just seems there'd be a better finish considering the technology. In the end, it just takes a little more finess to get it to glow, and that's not that big a deal to me.

As far as special paint - I just don't get the feeling this topic is very flexible at this plant because of it's flex-line. Admittedly - it doesn't seem like adding a couple more layers of clearcoat would be that bad, however, considering it would take probably either multiple passes through the paint shop, additional rebots to apply the clear for ZL1 after the current stations, or something else I'm not even considering. The more I think about it, and contrasting that with what I've learned about the Paint Shop, them more complications I realize - and I'm not even close to an expert...

Good idea - not going to happen :(

Cbrenthus · 07-01-2011, 09:10 AM

You could also take it brand new and get it cleared and wet sanded. There is a guy around here that is well known on the forums that said his shop would clear and wet sand a new car to a show car finish for $1500-$2000

1981DFA · 07-01-2011, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Cbrenthus

You could also take it brand new and get it cleared and wet sanded. There is a guy around here that is well known on the forums that said his shop would clear and wet sand a new car to a show car finish for $1500-$2000

That's what im considering having done when i get the ZL1! Then im going to go and put a clear bra on the front of the car and over the gill area to protect from rock chips!!

*radz28* · 07-01-2011, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by 1981DFA

That's what im considering having done when i get the ZL1! Then im going to go and put a clear bra on the front of the car and over the gill area to protect from rock chips!!

^^^ THIS ^^^

The Stig · 07-01-2011, 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1981DFA

That's what im considering having done when i get the ZL1! Then im going to go and put a clear bra on the front of the car and over the gill area to protect from rock chips!!

If you get a clear coat put on you need to wait 60 days before you put ANYTHING on the paint, as it needs time to cure.

bbboomer54 · 07-01-2011, 02:07 PM

"Seriously though, to have a show finish on a mass produced car would add at least 4 grand to MSRP"

I'm not asking for GM to provide the show-quality finish. I'm asking for them to put enough clear coat on at the factory so that it can be safely wet sanded and still have some left for years of waxing and polishing.

1981DFA · 07-01-2011, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by stieger

If you get a clear coat put on you need to wait 60 days before you put ANYTHING on the paint, as it needs time to cure.

Im aware of this but i that is what i want to do. It will more than likely sit in the garage for the most of those 60 days anyway.

ffrcobra_65 · 07-01-2011, 03:33 PM

Ok just for you, I called the GM Exec to make sure there are at 5 coats or clear. But he wants to know if you are really serious about buying the ZL1 or just getting your finger exercises in for the day. Also added that the Z06 and ZR1 buyers are a lot more "deserving" of extra coats but he will work with ya.

*The_Blur* · 07-01-2011, 03:47 PM

How much are you willing to pay for better paint?

If the car cost that much more than a Mustang, would you have bought it?

Let's ask all the other owners whose cars go through the same factory.

Let's ask the guys who aren't on Camaro5 these same questions. Now, since they'd all have bought Mustangs instead, let's deduct every non-enthusiast and every enthusiast who does not prioritize paint from Camaro sales. Suddenly, GM isn't selling so many Camaros.

bbboomer54 · 07-01-2011, 04:27 PM

For you skeptics. I have the money all set aside to buy a ZL1 so drop the attitude. Second read the post CAREFULLY ... I'm just asking for a heavier coating of clearcoat. I'm not asking for them to give me a better finish. I want to wet sand the car to get the finish that I want. And I don't want to compromise the paint or be left with a thin coat of clear coat. Not so much to ask. Seems to me that they adjust the time through the line along with changing the timing of the robots. Not a big cost factor. Just programming parameters. Why do people have to be such dicks on this forum?

07-01-2011, 08:41 AM	#1
bbboomer54 Drives: Loving my ZL1 Join Date: May 2011 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 76 View My Garage	Extra coats of Clear Coat for ZL1s? Can those with the connections to GM ask them to put an extra coat of Clear Coat on the ZL1 (and all Camaros) so that we can feel confident about wet-sanding. I want a finish like the one that is going around to the shows right now. You know they are not going to come off the assembly line like that. We deserve to have a finish like that on our cars.

07-01-2011, 08:47 AM	#2
The Stig knows 2 facts about ducks Drives: ...and they're both wrong Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: The HMS Invincible Posts: 25,072 View My Garage	Let me call Scott up, he'll take care of it. Seriously though, to have a show finish on a mass produced car would add at least 4 grand to MSRP __________________

07-01-2011, 09:07 AM	#5
radz28 Petro-sexual Drives: Ultra-Grin Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Crazy Coast Posts: 15,201 View My Garage	I'm surprised by some of the finishes I've seen from GM lately. My car in particular, seemed very dull and the orange peal immediately jumped out at me. There were some circumstances that contributed to the dull finish, I'll admit, but it hasn't been only my car. Perhaps it was the plant it was manufactured or something else that I'm not thinking or know about, but it just seems there'd be a better finish considering the technology. In the end, it just takes a little more finess to get it to glow, and that's not that big a deal to me. As far as special paint - I just don't get the feeling this topic is very flexible at this plant because of it's flex-line. Admittedly - it doesn't seem like adding a couple more layers of clearcoat would be that bad, however, considering it would take probably either multiple passes through the paint shop, additional rebots to apply the clear for ZL1 after the current stations, or something else I'm not even considering. The more I think about it, and contrasting that with what I've learned about the Paint Shop, them more complications I realize - and I'm not even close to an expert... Good idea - not going to happen :( __________________ '20 ZL1 Black "Fury" A10, PDR, Exposed CF Extractor Magnuson Magnum DI TVS2650R // RFBG // Soler 103 // TooHighPSI Port Injection // THPSI Billet Lid // FF // Katech Drop-In // PLM Heat Exchanger // ZLE Cradle bushings // BMR Chassis-Suspension Stuff // aFe Bars // Diode Dynamics LEDs // ACS Composites Guards // CF Dash // Aeroforce // tint // other stuffs

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The_Blur Moderator Drives: 2018 Harley-Davidson Street Bob Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: San Diego Posts: 14,769	How much are you willing to pay for better paint? If the car cost that much more than a Mustang, would you have bought it? Let's ask all the other owners whose cars go through the same factory. Let's ask the guys who aren't on Camaro5 these same questions. Now, since they'd all have bought Mustangs instead, let's deduct every non-enthusiast and every enthusiast who does not prioritize paint from Camaro sales. Suddenly, GM isn't selling so many Camaros. __________________ RDP Motorsport//GEN5DIY//Cultrag Performance//JPSS//Rodgets Chevrolet// Operation Demon//Buy at Invoice//RACECARWEAR RESPECT ALL CARS. LOVE YOUR OWN. warn 145:159 ban

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07-01-2011, 09:10 AM	#6
Cbrenthus Drives: 2011 VR 1SS Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: FL Posts: 516	You could also take it brand new and get it cleared and wet sanded. There is a guy around here that is well known on the forums that said his shop would clear and wet sand a new car to a show car finish for $1500-$2000

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bbboomer54 Drives: Loving my ZL1 Join Date: May 2011 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 76 View My Garage	"Seriously though, to have a show finish on a mass produced car would add at least 4 grand to MSRP" I'm not asking for GM to provide the show-quality finish. I'm asking for them to put enough clear coat on at the factory so that it can be safely wet sanded and still have some left for years of waxing and polishing.

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ffrcobra_65 Account Suspended Drives: SuperCharged 2SS/RS IOM MN6 Join Date: May 2009 Location: CA Posts: 5,094	Ok just for you, I called the GM Exec to make sure there are at 5 coats or clear. But he wants to know if you are really serious about buying the ZL1 or just getting your finger exercises in for the day. Also added that the Z06 and ZR1 buyers are a lot more "deserving" of extra coats but he will work with ya.

07-01-2011, 04:27 PM	#14
bbboomer54 Drives: Loving my ZL1 Join Date: May 2011 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 76 View My Garage	For you skeptics. I have the money all set aside to buy a ZL1 so drop the attitude. Second read the post CAREFULLY ... I'm just asking for a heavier coating of clearcoat. I'm not asking for them to give me a better finish. I want to wet sand the car to get the finish that I want. And I don't want to compromise the paint or be left with a thin coat of clear coat. Not so much to ask. Seems to me that they adjust the time through the line along with changing the timing of the robots. Not a big cost factor. Just programming parameters. Why do people have to be such dicks on this forum?