2012 vette and ZL1? What is the story?

[Carzzy]

Originally Posted by kiteman

i feel pretty confident the base vette won't be a match for a zl1. the z06 will be closer than you think.

The base Vette with 430 HP or 436 (with dual mode exhaust) weighs approx 3200 lbs. The ZL1 at est 560 HP will most likely be around 4000 lbs. The power to weight ratio is pretty close. The ZL1 may be a tad quicker... however....the Z06 with 505 HP with weight similar to the base Vette will trounce a ZL1!

[Scarrzz]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

No, it won't lower the itself like the $1.7 million Veyron.

Oh, well screw it then, I'm just getting the Veyron.



Ahhhh, did you say 1.7 million$$. Uhm... NVRM

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[Carzzy]

Originally Posted by xlroadster

The ZL1 and 'Vette target two different niches.

For a more linear comparison, you have your base Corvette, Z06, and ZR1. You have your Camaro V6, SS, and ZL1.

I don't think the bosses @ GM would have their No. 2 car overtake their No. 1 car (halo car).

You are absolutely correct....Who would buy their 80k Z06 if their 50k ZL1 out performed it? I think the ZL1 Camaro will be slightly quicker than the base Vette but now we are talking pretty close to the same $!

[REDXIIIDave]

You also have to consider that it's pretty easy to get a new Vette for $7000-$10000 off of MSRP. Price comparisons for a ZL1 and any Vette need to take that into consideration.

The comparison test between the 2011 GT500 and the Grand Sport mentioned a $13,000 difference in the "as tested" prices, when in reality, it was probably $2,000-$4,000. Huge discounts for the Vette, not so much for the GT500, and certainly not for the upcoming ZL1.

[Carzzy]

Originally Posted by REDXIIIDave

You also have to consider that it's pretty easy to get a new Vette for $7000-$10000 off of MSRP. Price comparisons for a ZL1 and any Vette need to take that into consideration.

The comparison test between the 2011 GT500 and the Grand Sport mentioned a $13,000 difference in the "as tested" prices, when in reality, it was probably $2,000-$4,000. Huge discounts for the Vette, not so much for the GT500, and certainly not for the upcoming ZL1.

Yes, you have a valid point there! Like all new models that come out on the market the dealers will have their thousands of dollars over MSRP on the new ZL1 and in actuality one would be able to buy the base Vette for less money!

[REDXIIIDave]

Actually, a loaded Grand Sport may be less than a loaded ZL1.

[TLSTWIN]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

LS < SS < Base Vette < GS < ZL1 < Z06 < ZR1

I agree....almost. I think the Z06 and ZL1 are going to be really close... I made a small fix in rating

[SuperCarEnthusiast]

Here is my take on the two.

The ZL1 is for the muscle heads - branging about horsepower, straightline performance, low exhaust noise and just plain out and out speed. They may challenge you at a stoplight or try to race you on a three lane highway. It may or may not be a daily driver and may spend time at the track. This is the ultimate car for those who are muscle car freaks!

The Corvette is for the person who whats a roadster! This person what to look cool in the sport car for the most part. The ZO6 is the track version but it probably spends most of the time in the garage or driven on the weekends with no rain or bad road conditions. Some might run it on the track but at $80K plus; you have to run it cautiously. If a Corvette is used as a daily drive it probably the standard model. The ZR1 is for the rich person who just like to have another supercar for his/her collection or is the first supercar purchase. It's main competitor is the 911 Porsche GT and the Audi R8 and Nissan GT-R!

That the view I take on the appeal of each car and the image each car has for me. I am sure their is a crossover where the ZL1 could be the cool car for that person and the Corvette could be the person's muscle car.

I was checking insurance rates last year and Corvettes in general; have much lower rates then say a Camaro. The insurance company saids Corvette owners are very good drivers; do not get in accidents and are older drivers that obey the traffic laws. That can not be said of owners of Camaros, Chellengers and Mustangs however with increase horsepower brings on increase premiums.

[scritchy]

Because a muscle car and a sports car are totally in the same class.

[Inferno2SS]

Originally Posted by BLACK10

Yeah, it takes about 530rwhp in an SS to run low to mid 11's

Throw in some gears and better hook up, I dont see why the ZL1 cant put up some good numbers. I am expecting to see around 3.8 to 3.9 0-60 and high 11s in the 1/4 mile.

[Inferno2SS]

Originally Posted by xlroadster

The ZL1 and 'Vette target two different niches.

For a more linear comparison, you have your base Corvette, Z06, and ZR1. You have your Camaro V6, SS, and ZL1.

I don't think the bosses @ GM would have their No. 2 car overtake their No. 1 car (halo car).

You are assuming each model is one car. You could argue that the number 1 car is the ZR1 and the number 2 car is the Z06, the number 3 car is ZL1 etc..

Plus I think GM would rather have you cross shopping the ZL1 and Corvette, then the GT500, GTR, Caymen or Boxter.

[LS6-M22]

Originally Posted by TLSTWIN

I agree....almost. I think the Z06 and ZL1 are going to be really close... I made a small fix in rating

I think your way off with that analogy.The weight difference alone is whats going to have the Zo6 out ahead not to mention how balanced and well geared and aerodynamic the zo6 is.

[Wondering]

Originally Posted by SuperCarEnthusiast

The Corvette is for the person who whats a roadster! This person what to look cool in the sport car for the most part. The ZO6 is the track version but it probably spends most of the time in the garage or driven on the weekends with no rain or bad road conditions. Some might run it on the track but at $80K plus; you have to run it cautiously. If a Corvette is used as a daily drive it probably the standard model. The ZR1 is for the rich person who just like to have another supercar for his/her collection or is the first supercar purchase. It's main competitor is the 911 Porsche GT and the Audi R8 and Nissan GT-R!

I've been daily driving a Z06 since their introduction,currently on my second one. Driven every day,rain or shine & I beat on it each & every day like it owes me money.

I also track it,and have yet to hesitate entering a corner due to how much the car cost me. I've always lived by the adage "don't race anything you can't afford to write off".

As far as the ZL1 is concerned,nothing would make me prouder than to have it on par performance wise with the Z06. But in my heart of hearts I think the weight penalty will preclude this.

[Scarrzz]

Originally Posted by Inferno2SS

Throw in some gears and better hook up, I don't see why the ZL1 cant put up some good numbers. I am expecting to see around 3.8 to 3.9 0-60 and high 11s in the 1/4 mile.

If I had to give you a nickname, I'd call you Zack Lee Right !


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