Videos: 2016 Camaro SS Dyno run and 0-60 run - Page 7

joemosfet · 10-07-2015, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperSound

Think it would be much easier for an auto driver to suck at driving a manual than a manual driver sucking at driving an auto.

They could fall asleep from boredom...

obzidian · 10-07-2015, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by strokerls1

Torque gets you there, horsepower keeps you there

tuckermaclain · 10-07-2015, 08:53 PM

Torque by itself is nothing related to how fast a car accelerates. It is a static measurement of force. Just like when you stand on a scale it shows the force of your body on the scale but it does no work. What people really mean about torque, is that a high-torgue engine can produce higher horsepower at a given RPM because the torque is in the numerator (on top) of the power equation, as is distance (which is related to RPM). Power is everything. It is how fast you can do work. It is a dynamic measurement. Power at any RPM is proportional to the torque produced at that RPM. When guys talk about wanting torque, they really mean that they want HP at low RPMs.

obzidian · 10-07-2015, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by xgnxs

I'd rather try and fail repeatedly than say "oh, it can't be done" and never try.

Raced plenty of "fast auto's" ... Not one beat me because of my driving.... Power/weight is king while traction is the treacherous vile queen pulling your strings.

sorry... Been watching way to much GOT lately.

If you like the auto then that is fine but don't think it's going to save you from an equal car with stick with some of the folks that know how to bang gears.

KMPrenger · 10-07-2015, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by obzidian

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If you like the auto then that is fine but don't think it's going to save you from an equal car with stick with some of the folks that know how to bang gears.

I'll bite.

Sure...in a roll race I can agree.

But that doesn't really hold true in a drag race on a good prepped 1/4 mile track with modern automatics. Take a look at this C7 fast list: http://www.corvetteforum.com/forums/...fast-list.html

One manual out of the top 12 results (spot #12) has squeeked out a high 11 second run. All of the 11 before it are automatics, and have ran as low as 11.3. If there are any drivers out there good enough to bang out another .6 of a second to catch up to the automatic's times, I'd love to see it.

GTIanZ28 · 10-07-2015, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by KMPrenger

I'll bite.

Sure...in a roll race I can agree.

But that doesn't really hold true in a drag race on a good prepped 1/4 mile track with modern automatics. Take a look at this C7 fast list: http://www.corvetteforum.com/forums/...fast-list.html

One manual out of the top 12 results (spot #12) has squeeked out a high 11 second run. All of the 11 before it are automatics, and have ran as low as 11.3. If there are any drivers out there good enough to bang out another .6 of a second to catch up to the automatic's times, I'd love to see it.

Agreed.

I'm an admitted magazine numbers guy. And, I have no delusions of being a drifter, race car driver, or drag racer.

Pretty sure the numbers are proven at this point. For anyone serious about drag racing the "new" automatics pretty much smoke any human With a manual. It's technology and as most everything else the tech has surpassed human capabilities. There is also the consistency an auto affords. It doesn't screw up whereas we do! Hate missing shifts.... It's embarrassing.

Same can be said on the track..... While there are talented individuals who know what they are doing (like Probst) who might sneak out a faster time with a manual. News flash..... None of us are Probst.

Of course the heat issues could sway a decision and could pose a problem for those plan to track their cars.

The only debate here is personal preference. The new auto's are faster.... tech has improved to a point that it's the human piloting that is the problem.

It's only a matter of time before Google (or tesla/Apple) preps a self driving car that can consistently beat a human around a racetrack in an equal car.

Edit:
Now that I think about it. This is precisely what they (self driving cars.... Totally off topic) need to attempt. Once they can prove the tech on a racetrack they may be able to sway public perception. As it stands I am pretty sure the public sentiment about self driving cars is highly skeptical.

ULTRAZLS1 · 10-07-2015, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by obzidian

Raced plenty of "fast auto's" ... Not one beat me because of my driving.... Power/weight is king while traction is the treacherous vile queen pulling your strings.

sorry... Been watching way to much GOT lately.

If you like the auto then that is fine but don't think it's going to save you from an equal car with stick with some of the folks that know how to bang gears.

Only time I can see it happening now is possibly from a roll. From a stop not gonna happen.

BTW...what are your thoughts on the dyno numbers? No comment? Underrated?

Its showing around a 10% loss like a lot of other cars talked about as being underrated these days.

Starting to look a lot like a pattern man...drivetrains are simply more efficient now.

Just thought I would remind you of our previous conversations

VADER SS L99 · 10-08-2015, 12:28 AM

Anyone who thinks a manual can be just as fast as a auto in the 1/4 need only to look at the LS1 bolt on fast list. Maybe 8 manuals in the top 50. No car on that list has more than stock LS3 power either so its not like they have too much power to handle. If there was such a thing as a human being able to out drive a properly set up auto it would have shown up by now as its only been about 18 years. Its not just shift speeds that a manual driver has to deal with its torque multiplication and shift recovery. No manual is going to have the same torque multiplication off the line and then flash stall speed after the shift that a properly set up auto has. Anyone who says otherwise is on a ego trip.http://ls1tech.com/forums/drag-racin...1-77-bump.html

Denmanman4 · 10-08-2015, 02:29 AM

Did anyone else notice the video or article was from September 13th for the 0-60.... Wonder how it took so long to be found?

Denis · 10-08-2015, 06:09 AM

im so surprised that this thread turned into an auto vs manual debate

Curr · 10-08-2015, 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Denis

im so surprised that this thread turned into an auto vs manual debate

C'mon, it isn't a car forum if there aren't multiple I4/V6 vs V8 and auto vs manual (maybe toss in a couple sun roof vs convertible!) 'discussions' derailing at least three or four threads!

ChefBorOzzy · 10-08-2015, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Denmanman4

Did anyone else notice the video or article was from September 13th for the 0-60.... Wonder how it took so long to be found?

I wondered the same thing.

joemosfet · 10-08-2015, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Curr

C'mon, it isn't a car forum if there aren't multiple I4/V6 vs V8 and auto vs manual (maybe toss in a couple sun roof vs convertible!) 'discussions' derailing at least three or four threads!

Now we just need somebody to start bringing up the Mustang and reference the good doctor.

TJ91 · 10-08-2015, 01:25 PM

Hey guys did the LS3 fifth gen hit 60 in first? I cant remember but I thought the SS manual did 0-60 all in first but I may be wrong

Now I know this is an Auto 6th gen. I wonder if the LT1 manual will be able to hit 60 in first where the auto hits seconds in this video.

Btw that looked pretty damn fast. Starting to drool more and more over thes new SS

10-08-2015, 12:28 AM	#92
VADER SS L99 Drives: 2013 A6 GT 5.0 Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Edmond, OK Posts: 2,909	Anyone who thinks a manual can be just as fast as a auto in the 1/4 need only to look at the LS1 bolt on fast list. Maybe 8 manuals in the top 50. No car on that list has more than stock LS3 power either so its not like they have too much power to handle. If there was such a thing as a human being able to out drive a properly set up auto it would have shown up by now as its only been about 18 years. Its not just shift speeds that a manual driver has to deal with its torque multiplication and shift recovery. No manual is going to have the same torque multiplication off the line and then flash stall speed after the shift that a properly set up auto has. Anyone who says otherwise is on a ego trip.http://ls1tech.com/forums/drag-racin...1-77-bump.html __________________ BLK/BLK 1SS/RS Ordered 11-01-2009 Took delivery 12-22-2009. Heads/cam/converter/bolt ons. SOLD Feb 2015 to fund 6th gen LT1 SS with 8L90E.

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Denis Drives: 2010 SS Join Date: May 2012 Location: Yorktown Heights, NY Posts: 7,695 View My Garage	im so surprised that this thread turned into an auto vs manual debate __________________

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TJ91 :chevy: Drives: 2LT/RS Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Toronto Posts: 13,033	Hey guys did the LS3 fifth gen hit 60 in first? I cant remember but I thought the SS manual did 0-60 all in first but I may be wrong Now I know this is an Auto 6th gen. I wonder if the LT1 manual will be able to hit 60 in first where the auto hits seconds in this video. Btw that looked pretty damn fast. Starting to drool more and more over thes new SS __________________ CAMARO Consult your doctor before taking Camaro Side effects include Sudden increase in Heart Rate, Insomnia and occasional hallucinations If you experience Permagrin exceeding 4 hours after taking Camaro, seek immediate Camaro5 Help CAMARO Bringing excitment back into the Garage

10-07-2015, 08:53 PM	#87
tuckermaclain Drives: 2016 Cadillac ATS-V coupe Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: Omaha Posts: 32	Torque by itself is nothing related to how fast a car accelerates. It is a static measurement of force. Just like when you stand on a scale it shows the force of your body on the scale but it does no work. What people really mean about torque, is that a high-torgue engine can produce higher horsepower at a given RPM because the torque is in the numerator (on top) of the power equation, as is distance (which is related to RPM). Power is everything. It is how fast you can do work. It is a dynamic measurement. Power at any RPM is proportional to the torque produced at that RPM. When guys talk about wanting torque, they really mean that they want HP at low RPMs.

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Denmanman4 Drives: 2017 Camaro 1SS Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: Fayetteville, NC Posts: 56 View My Garage	Did anyone else notice the video or article was from September 13th for the 0-60.... Wonder how it took so long to be found?

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