08-15-2011, 10:35 AM | #1 |
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ZL1 LOOKS!!!
It might be just me, but this car looks like a regular camaro with black side skirts and a different hood. I know the car has much more power than the regular SS, but why wouldn't someone with an SS just get the maggie for $6500 installed and have a sleeper. Just my 2 cents!!!
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08-15-2011, 10:42 AM | #2 |
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Go back and read some of the previous threads for more information than I can give you. But, 33% of the car was changed along with the front facia, hood and spoiler.
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08-15-2011, 10:46 AM | #3 |
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True, I understand the suspension parts! I talking about just looks, all in all it's just another SS camaro with power and little bit different front and ugly hood.
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08-15-2011, 10:47 AM | #4 |
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Don't get me wrong an SS with a maggie can be a sleeper, but it will take more then a S/C to get an SS to a ZL1 level.
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08-15-2011, 11:07 AM | #5 |
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08-15-2011, 11:14 AM | #6 | |||
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I think CAMARO is very had to improve on. I know the one view I don't like too much is a view of the rear, straight on. There's something about the profile that I never liked a whole lot (I think it was the relationship of the tires to the outside of the quarter panels). However, a little revision in the diffuser, the exhaust tips, and even wider rear tires (by 30mm) took care of that for me. Anyways, I like that the changes are subtle. I don't need for my car to shout to look at me!!! I'm speeding!!! Or, follow me around waiting for me to make a mistake! LOL. In addition, all of the changes to the exterior are actually functional. The front facia and splitter actually direct air flow. The hood actually extracts air and aids in downforce. There are litte front fender and rear facia deflectors that move air around the wheel openings. The rocker moldings actually help move air around the car. The rear spoiler and lower diffuser actually round-out the entire aero' package to add downforce and force ZL1 into the pavement to stick even better. I'm not aware of another package more thorough and deliberate at function in this segment. If someone wants to take SS and add a Maggy, then why the Heck not?! You've not just created ZL1, and though I believe you've just created a car that might out-accelerate ZL1, but that's about it. You're still missing the rest of what ZL1 is all about. You will have to spend a LOT more money to get to ZL1's all-around performance, but after you did spend that money, your SS would out-perform ZL1, too. There are many cars here who've done just that. I don't exactly know what I was hoping for from ZL1 (well - Z28 at the time). I wanted something that was a little different than SS, but not something too much, looks-wise. I think GM has done a great job with what we know of ZL1 and I can't wait to hear exactly what ZL1 will have, what it will look like, and what it will do when GM finally releases it into the wild. Quote:
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It's funny not we're characterizing SS with an SC a sleeper, LOL!!! A 5th Gen has never snuck up on me, lol. I've always seen it a long ways away
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08-15-2011, 12:45 PM | #7 |
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The zl1 is a 5th gen camaro, so it will never look drastically different than other 5th gen camaro's. Otherwise it would be a 6gen or a redesign which it is neither nor was it intended to be. And I don't think anyone wants it to be either.
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08-15-2011, 01:05 PM | #8 |
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Also, it seems to be a truism that things that look graceful and easy (think athlete or other type of performer) actually take considerable time and attention to achieve. Aesthetics and funtionality seem to be a rare marriage these days, which continues to help me be impressed with this machined piece of art.
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08-15-2011, 02:04 PM | #9 |
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They won't make too many sheetmetal changes. It's still a Camaro, not a brand new nameplate.
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Although others have articulated the differences between the 2012 SS and the 2012 ZL1 better than I ever could, it still boils down to personal choice. Earlier this year I could have bought a new SS for ~37K, sent it to Lingenfelter to have the engine replaced with a modded LS9 putting out 775 hp at the crank for an additional 38K, so my total cash outlay would have been ~75K give or take a couple of grand. In the end I would still have an SS with a 427 engine in it (which aint bad by the way), but then there would be other issues to deal with (stock rear end, stock trans, traction issues, brakes, wheel upgrades, just to name a few). Instead I chose to wait on the ZL1 with the LSA powerplant, which by the way is much more suited to adding additional hp than the LS3 per the builder/tuners I have talked to. So I pay ~ 50k for the car, send it to Lingenfelter so they can put the 700+ hp package in it for ~11K, plus I have the supercharger replaced with the TVS-2300 (~ 8K) or the ZR-1 supercharger (~5K) and guess what, I am at 775 HP and my total cash outlay is ~66-70K. And in the end . . . . I have a ZL1 BABY !! Last edited by BiggFoot; 08-15-2011 at 04:08 PM. |
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08-15-2011, 03:59 PM | #11 | |
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Your paying for a LSA powered engine that is backed by GM's warranty. I myself would take the safe route and purchase the ZL-1 vice purchasing a KB, Pro-Charger, etc. The only way I'd do that is if my warranty ran out, I just don't feel too comfortable by spending $5-7,xxx for a supercharger and next thing you know my car is having some type of internal issue. Thats my view on it, atleast. In that case you can have your 2 cents, I have enough spare change in case I need it. |
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08-15-2011, 05:18 PM | #12 |
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08-15-2011, 06:34 PM | #13 | |
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Appearance wise, a different grill (which I'm going to do aftermarket anyway), and a functional side shark gill enhancement would be the only things I would change if I had all my wishes granted. In other words, for me it's danged close to perfect. I plan to drive my ZL1 until it falls apart like the Bluesmobile, and then rebuild it and do it again. .
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