Auto is faster?!!!!

[a6pk2go]

I'm getting an automatic..........age, a couple of knee operations, crap like that is why I drive an auto. But when I was young and in my prime I would be grapping gears and it was more fun than the auto. I can't say that I out grew it but if I get a chance to drive a standard I will give it hell. I just couldn't order one knowing the issues I have had with my knees.

I also believe with the right driver a manual would be faster mostly due to more HP but as someone already said there won't/shouldn't be that big a difference.

[1_2Many]

Originally Posted by Silverghost

all the top fuel dragsters are auto for a reason..... think about it.

I thought top fuel and funny cars had push button shifters?

[Silverghost]

Originally Posted by 1_2Many

I thought top fuel and funny cars had push button shifters?

Push the button and it automaticly changes gears..... Still no clutch

[Crowley]

Originally Posted by Silverghost

all the top fuel dragsters are auto for a reason..... think about it.

Agreed .. now is my daily driver putting out as much HP as a top fuel dragster .. lol ....

Manual for me ... more fun to drive and it will be faster stock for stock in the 1/4 ..

Crowley

[CamaroSpike23]

Originally Posted by Emjay

I have ordered months ago, this girl I know ordered to and is convinced auto is faster ... Im not saying it's not I dont know. Hence my question. But heres another question for you ... why get a automatic sports car? Or better yet who even drives automatic? Even my PT cruiser is a stick!

this guy drives an auto...




if you wanna play, get a manual, if you wanna go fast, get an auto.

Originally Posted by 1_2Many

Butt dyno sometimes favors an automatic simply off linear power delivery, but a stick will general put out faster times on a street car.

butt dyno favors manual, and sticks used to put out faster times out the door from production, but you were also comparing a 6 speed manual vs a 4 speed auto. now its 6 speed on both and this new auto rocks

Originally Posted by KILLER74Z28

M6 is a couple of ticks faster the the A6 from 0-6 and in the 1/4. This info was given to us at Indy by Al...

I thought it was the other way around...

[kdbolt70]

Originally Posted by CamaroSpike23

I thought it was the other way around...

Initially the numbers were 4.6 for the A6, and 4.9 for the M6. Not sure where they came from. It was later said by Al that the M6 might be a tick or two faster than the A6, so thats what we're basing it on.

[Crowley]

Originally Posted by CamaroSpike23

this guy drives an auto...

if you wanna play, get a manual, if you wanna go fast, get an auto.

lol .. again .. is that guy driving that camaro as a daily driver or even on the street .. I aggree .. if you want to go that fast and be consistant .. manual is the way to go ... for a street driven car .. if you want to have fun .. go manual ..

Crowley

[UCF w00t]

Originally Posted by Silverghost

all the top fuel dragsters are auto for a reason..... think about it.

I believe top fuel actually uses a single gear transmission.

But the autos many people refer to like in F1 cars and the like are actually best described as automatic manuals. They don't have a torque converter setup but a fancy clutch setup that is controlled by the electronics. This is the same system that the paddle shifter ferraris and other really expensive cars use. Basically these transmissions take the benefits of having a clutch plate system in a manual and apply the computer controlled nature of an auto for ultra-fast shifts.

[Robin Lawrence]

Originally Posted by UCF w00t

I believe top fuel actually uses a single gear transmission.

But the autos many people refer to like in F1 cars and the like are actually best described as automatic manuals. They don't have a torque converter setup but a fancy clutch setup that is controlled by the electronics. This is the same system that the paddle shifter ferraris and other really expensive cars use. Basically these transmissions take the benefits of having a clutch plate system in a manual and apply the computer controlled nature of an auto for ultra-fast shifts.

You are correct.......sort of. Top Fuel and Nitro Funny car are direct drive. They use stages of a clutch to allow the engine to maintain a certain RPM down the track. They use timers to apply each stage as the car goes down the track.

Stick is faster, hands down. For many classes the choice to go automatic is because of the penalty to run the stick.

There is less power loss through a stick trans than an automatic. Now in the real world there are automatics that are getting very efficiant. Take them up against a stick that has a lot of rotating mass and they will be close.

But give the same car, same power the stick is faster.

In many cases cars have more power than the car or driver can handle. In those cases the auto is an easy crutch to get over the problems.

I race a 7 second Nova in the NPS class at the NMCA events. I carry an extra 200 pounds because I run a stick.

I run a Liberty Clutchless 5 speed with a 8" twin disc race clutch.

Robin

[SGOS252382]

The modern automatics are getting better and better. The differences in performance between manually shifted and automatically shifted cars are quickly going away.

Here's a quote about the Porsche Turbo comparing the automatic with the manually equipped Porsche.
"no surprise that Porsche’s Tiptronic electronically controlled automatic transmission is good, but it is a surprise to learn that it makes the 2007 911 Turbo quicker down the drag strip."

[Emjay]

Originally Posted by SGOS252382

The modern automatics are getting better and better. The differences in performance between manually shifted and automatically shifted cars are quickly going away.

Here's a quote about the Porsche Turbo comparing the automatic with the manually equipped Porsche.
"no surprise that Porsche’s Tiptronic electronically controlled automatic transmission is good, but it is a surprise to learn that it makes the 2007 911 Turbo quicker down the drag strip."

Still if their better ... they would be more fun. I live on long island 1 hour away from manhatten and drive through it all the time, traffic + stick = still fun. Automatic + Stick = bored. Personally I slam on the dead pedal in automatics and look like a moron trying to pull the shifter. I only drove auto for like a few months before I went to school in Aus, where I drove stick, and only have since.

OK m6 a6 I dont know what that is! LOL so auto? manuel?

[rocket31]

i would like to think that if you really knew how to drive that you could beat an auto now matter how good the system is (given the cars are the same of course). even if that werent the case i like to have control of when i change gears, not the car. besides manual is just plain fun

[CamaroSpike23]

Originally Posted by kdbolt70

Initially the numbers were 4.6 for the A6, and 4.9 for the M6. Not sure where they came from. It was later said by Al that the M6 might be a tick or two faster than the A6, so thats what we're basing it on.

but how much is a tick?



and for all those that care, I run a reverse manual valve body 4 speed auto in my 94Z. depending on how you want to look at it, im driving a manual. because I have to shift every gear. up and down. I just dont use a clutch pedal to do so. and I can guarantee you that I can slap my trans to the next gear faster than you can pop the clutch, change gears, and release the clutch.

[zebra]

Originally Posted by Emjay

Still if their better ... they would be more fun. I live on long island 1 hour away from manhatten and drive through it all the time, traffic + stick = still fun. Automatic + Stick = bored. Personally I slam on the dead pedal in automatics and look like a moron trying to pull the shifter. I only drove auto for like a few months before I went to school in Aus, where I drove stick, and only have since.

OK m6 a6 I dont know what that is! LOL so auto? manuel?

auto + stick =

m6 is a manual 6-speed
a6 is an automatic 6-speed


as for stomping the floor & reaching for imaginary shifters, i do that all the time, so don't feel bad