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Bad70supreme · 03-25-2013, 10:12 AM

Is this possible, can I beef up the stock axle? The price for aftermarket is crazy!

blazzin1 · 03-25-2013, 10:21 AM

No, you can't mod the stock axle. You might consider looking into the 1LE axles. I've heard that they are supposedly "better", but not sure how true that is. I remember reading one post where a guy bought a set, and the actual diameter of the shaft was the same, but the overall diameter of the CV joint was a little bigger. Well, it's an option to look into anyway. Other than that....yeah, you're stuck paying DSS or GForce prices!!!

Bad70supreme · 03-25-2013, 10:49 AM

Looks like I will be taking my chances. I dont understand why we dont have replacement alxe that has a stronger cv joint!

Chris82xx · 03-25-2013, 12:03 PM

It's about saving money. You should be ok for a while with your setup. Just keep an eye out in the marketplace for someone selling a set.

Genevieve · 03-25-2013, 12:12 PM

1100+ rwhp through stock driveline (besides the clutch) and still holding. At first it was a joke to see how long they will last but now I really am curious. I contribute the lasting effects to a great mechanic, CBI Streetcars and, fixing the problems with the car. It's obviously not power that kills the axle's as 426 FWHP has been enough to break them. I believe that weak or noise reducing parts of the suspension allow things to bind and/or create wheel hop which is a number one killer of any axle. Luckily BMR has many great things to offer to help the 5th gen track straight and true. I strongly encourage if you want stock axles to live then upgrade some bushings at the very least.

Bad70supreme · 03-25-2013, 12:33 PM

Bushings will help huh.... Let me ask this, is there any way to tell if my axles are on there way out! My car has wheel hopped pretty bad a few times! Been lucky so far. Going to put some tires on soon, I dont plan on dumping the clutch but I will drive it hard, would be nice if I can inspect them some how.

Dave Coyle · 03-25-2013, 12:38 PM

If you have not changed out your stock track arms and toe rods to something better your wheel hop is going to make everything "go south" in a hurry!!! Axles, rear end, etc.

Bad70supreme · 03-25-2013, 12:58 PM

I never had a problem till last summer, car would spin only! Last summer it started and it happened a few times pretty bad! Should I get trailing arms first? Hope everything is ok still, I have about a 100 passes in this car since it was stock! My posi has been working ok, gets both tires going still so thats good.

Synner · 03-25-2013, 02:16 PM

Axles will fail in one of 2 ways:
1) Grenade under load
2) vomit grease from the CV with failure in the near future.

I would definitely remove wheel hop first on an M6. Cradle bushings and trailing arm bushings.

Bad70supreme · 03-25-2013, 02:31 PM

My cv boots are dry, checked that like a month ago! I do have a leak coming from my pinion seal looks like though. Gonna change the fluid in it again soon. What about bushing inserts, seems like a do it yourself job I can handle!

Synner · 03-25-2013, 02:43 PM

The install is easier but since you like to drag I would do full bushings. The method I've seen recently of heating up the cradle and using a jack to push it out looks pretty easy to do on stands. Way easier than when I did it overhead with a reciprocating saw.

Bad70supreme · 03-25-2013, 02:49 PM

Thanks I will look into this, do you recomend trailing arms or bushings first? I will eventually do both.

Synner · 03-25-2013, 03:27 PM

Trailing arm is fast but cradle bushes helped more. Ideally do both at once and get a good alignment after. I did mine in stages too due to time limitations but in hindsight all at once would have been better to minimize repeated steps and a single high quality alignment.

carrs_crew · 03-25-2013, 03:51 PM

DSS has an upgrade to the stock axles for I believe 100 a pair, don't quote me but I think they upgrade the grease and put better clamps on the boots. I have a set of slp take offs that are packaged awaiting shipment to DSS (Drive Shaft Shop) i think they are a sponsor on here as well.

03-25-2013, 10:12 AM	#1
Bad70supreme Drives: 2010 aqua blue SS/RS M6 Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: plainfield, IL Posts: 2,706	Mod or beef up stock axle? Is this possible, can I beef up the stock axle? The price for aftermarket is crazy! __________________ 10.91 at 122 H/C stock block N/A

03-25-2013, 10:49 AM	#3
Bad70supreme Drives: 2010 aqua blue SS/RS M6 Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: plainfield, IL Posts: 2,706	Looks like I will be taking my chances. I dont understand why we dont have replacement alxe that has a stronger cv joint! __________________ 10.91 at 122 H/C stock block N/A

03-25-2013, 12:03 PM	#4
Chris82xx Make your peace with God! Drives: 2011 Camaro SS/RS M6 Convertible Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Dirty Jersey Posts: 1,595	It's about saving money. You should be ok for a while with your setup. Just keep an eye out in the marketplace for someone selling a set. __________________ ECS base supercharger (NOVI 1500SL), ECS AlKY control kit, 92mm TB, ARH 1 7/8" LT's non-catted, Borla 3" exhaust, ID850 injectors, Squash fuel system, ECS Big Blower Cam, MGW short throw shifter, DSS 1000hp axles, LGW differential cover, billet caps, Tech AFX heater hoses, Pedders differential bushings, Eaton TrueTrac differential, PRC dual valve springs, Katech C5R timing chain, ATI balancer, Meilings oil pump, Pfadt Trailing Arms, Pfadt Tie Rods, Pfadt Sway Bars, Pfadt End Links, DSS Aluminum Driveshaft 811RWHP/719RWTQ UNDER MAJOR OVERHAUL!!

03-25-2013, 12:33 PM	#6
Bad70supreme Drives: 2010 aqua blue SS/RS M6 Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: plainfield, IL Posts: 2,706	Bushings will help huh.... Let me ask this, is there any way to tell if my axles are on there way out! My car has wheel hopped pretty bad a few times! Been lucky so far. Going to put some tires on soon, I dont plan on dumping the clutch but I will drive it hard, would be nice if I can inspect them some how. __________________ 10.91 at 122 H/C stock block N/A

03-25-2013, 12:38 PM	#7
Dave Coyle Drives: 2010 SS , 1970 Z-28, 2002 Avalanche Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Michigan Posts: 2,524 View My Garage	If you have not changed out your stock track arms and toe rods to something better your wheel hop is going to make everything "go south" in a hurry!!! Axles, rear end, etc. __________________ IF IT'S WORTH HAVING, IT'S WORTH WAITING FOR!!!! (AND IT WAS) 434RWHP/403RWTQ Livernois Motorsports 2C Cam kit Kooks 1 7/8 LT Headers/Hi-Flo Cats/Corsa Exhaust Roto-Fab CAI / Port Intake Precission 2400/2800 Converter/3.73 AAM gears Livernois Motorsports Tune Best time: 11.97 @ 117 MPH

03-25-2013, 10:21 AM	#2
blazzin1 Drives: 2010 2SS/RS R6P Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: St. Cloud, FL Posts: 4,845 View My Garage	No, you can't mod the stock axle. You might consider looking into the 1LE axles. I've heard that they are supposedly "better", but not sure how true that is. I remember reading one post where a guy bought a set, and the actual diameter of the shaft was the same, but the overall diameter of the CV joint was a little bigger. Well, it's an option to look into anyway. Other than that....yeah, you're stuck paying DSS or GForce prices!!!

03-25-2013, 12:12 PM	#5
Genevieve Drives: 2SS/RS Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: St. louis Posts: 161	1100+ rwhp through stock driveline (besides the clutch) and still holding. At first it was a joke to see how long they will last but now I really am curious. I contribute the lasting effects to a great mechanic, CBI Streetcars and, fixing the problems with the car. It's obviously not power that kills the axle's as 426 FWHP has been enough to break them. I believe that weak or noise reducing parts of the suspension allow things to bind and/or create wheel hop which is a number one killer of any axle. Luckily BMR has many great things to offer to help the 5th gen track straight and true. I strongly encourage if you want stock axles to live then upgrade some bushings at the very least.

03-25-2013, 12:58 PM	#8
Bad70supreme Drives: 2010 aqua blue SS/RS M6 Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: plainfield, IL Posts: 2,706	I never had a problem till last summer, car would spin only! Last summer it started and it happened a few times pretty bad! Should I get trailing arms first? Hope everything is ok still, I have about a 100 passes in this car since it was stock! My posi has been working ok, gets both tires going still so thats good. __________________ 10.91 at 122 H/C stock block N/A

03-25-2013, 02:16 PM	#9
Synner Drives: cars Join Date: May 2011 Location: Oversneeze Posts: 4,544	Axles will fail in one of 2 ways: 1) Grenade under load 2) vomit grease from the CV with failure in the near future. I would definitely remove wheel hop first on an M6. Cradle bushings and trailing arm bushings.

03-25-2013, 02:31 PM	#10
Bad70supreme Drives: 2010 aqua blue SS/RS M6 Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: plainfield, IL Posts: 2,706	My cv boots are dry, checked that like a month ago! I do have a leak coming from my pinion seal looks like though. Gonna change the fluid in it again soon. What about bushing inserts, seems like a do it yourself job I can handle! __________________ 10.91 at 122 H/C stock block N/A

03-25-2013, 02:43 PM	#11
Synner Drives: cars Join Date: May 2011 Location: Oversneeze Posts: 4,544	The install is easier but since you like to drag I would do full bushings. The method I've seen recently of heating up the cradle and using a jack to push it out looks pretty easy to do on stands. Way easier than when I did it overhead with a reciprocating saw.

03-25-2013, 02:49 PM	#12
Bad70supreme Drives: 2010 aqua blue SS/RS M6 Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: plainfield, IL Posts: 2,706	Thanks I will look into this, do you recomend trailing arms or bushings first? I will eventually do both. __________________ 10.91 at 122 H/C stock block N/A

03-25-2013, 03:27 PM	#13
Synner Drives: cars Join Date: May 2011 Location: Oversneeze Posts: 4,544	Trailing arm is fast but cradle bushes helped more. Ideally do both at once and get a good alignment after. I did mine in stages too due to time limitations but in hindsight all at once would have been better to minimize repeated steps and a single high quality alignment.

03-25-2013, 03:51 PM	#14
carrs_crew Livin the Dream Drives: sold Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: The Good Land Posts: 425	DSS has an upgrade to the stock axles for I believe 100 a pair, don't quote me but I think they upgrade the grease and put better clamps on the boots. I have a set of slp take offs that are packaged awaiting shipment to DSS (Drive Shaft Shop) i think they are a sponsor on here as well.