Who manufactures the strongest and thickest front sway bar? - Page 2 - Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums

lawdogg149 · 12-02-2009, 09:26 PM

You should call livernois then.

Xmicro_SS · 12-02-2009, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Aaron Pfadt

This is something that I wrote in another post on this subject. In case you got bored halfway through the half truths and spin of mike's post, this might give you some actual information on how swaybars relate to you the user.

Buy your swaybars from a company that actually develops and tests on the Camaro, not a Holden Commodore. Our Pfadt bars are proudly made in the USA.

Oh, and a personal peeve of mine, beware of a company that tells you that you can not handle a set of swaybars because they are only for 'racers'. Cars handle well or they don't. You would not hesitate to buy a ZR1 Corvette just because you are not factory driver Johnny O'Connell would you?

To the OPs point of why do you not see giant front swaybars for the Camaro, the answer is down in the middle of my post. It has been completely neglected by the other guys, but it is very important.

-Aaron

A good friend a fellow Camaro5 Member POWERFREAK has these on his Camaro and they are amazing. WHat a different they make on the car.

Nice Job Aaron!

JusticePete · 12-02-2009, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by lawdogg149

You should call livernois then.

Livernois is not a Pedders Dealer. Please provide the name of the person that owns Livernois along with the customer name?

*The_Blur* · 12-02-2009, 09:42 PM

This thread got very interesting.

I will say this. All of our well-known vendors—Pfadt and Pedders both included—produce very good parts. These two brands, specifically, have done countless hours of research on multiple platforms plus engineering experience and education that makes them assets to our community and members for information and parts. A new suspension is a great way to improve the drivability and performance of a performance machine, like the Camaro. With their experience, they have developed Camaro-specific parts that improve upon the quality of the OEM suspension only if installed correctly. Basically, if you aren't an engineer like the ones that designed these kits, don't bother arguing that you know better how to install the kit. Get a degree that says so, and start working for one of them. If you are concerned or confused about your install, don't do it alone. Camaro5's vendors will help you!

I also want to make a point that one of these companies may be superior to the other in production and quality. I do not want to suggest that our vendors are necessarily equals, but I do want to stress that they deserve respect and appreciation. Without their investment our parts would cost more and we might be stuck with OEM.

Info@PeddersUSA.com · 12-02-2009, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by The_Blur

This thread got very interesting.

I will say this. All of our well-known vendors—Pfadt and Pedders both included—produce very good parts. These two brands, specifically, have done countless hours of research on multiple platforms plus engineering experience and education that makes them assets to our community and members for information and parts. A new suspension is a great way to improve the drivability and performance of a performance machine, like the Camaro. With their experience, they have developed Camaro-specific parts that improve upon the quality of the OEM suspension only if installed correctly. Basically, if you aren't an engineer like the ones that designed these kits, don't bother arguing that you know better how to install the kit. Get a degree that says so, and start working for one of them. If you are concerned or confused about your install, don't do it alone. Camaro5's vendors will help you!

I also want to make a point that one of these companies may be superior to the other in production and quality. I do not want to suggest that our vendors are necessarily equals, but I do want to stress that they deserve respect and appreciation. Without their investment our parts would cost more and we might be stuck with OEM.

Well said sir! thank you!

Mike
dms

Mr Twisty · 12-02-2009, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by lawdogg149

So I wonder if the pedders sways are as bad as there crappy bushing kits. Several customers whom have bought them have complained and only gotten thats standard for them. Pedders you stink go back to Aussie. Pfdat keep up the good work.

You need to cool it with the name calling. The Pedders guys have been respected members here for quite awhile now.

If YOU have problems with their products, then by all means speak up, but it sounds like you're working on 2nd hand information, and by speaking up you're just hurting your own credibility. It's one thing to comment on what you know, it's a whole new can-o-worms to belittle someone without facts to back it up.

The Pedders guys have kept us updated on their testing, and it's been pretty intense. I haven't seen much in the way of actual testing from the other vendors on site. I did see a video of a canyon run, but not much useful information other than the under car video showing excessive bushing movement and their solution to minimize it.

JusticePete · 12-02-2009, 10:42 PM

Mike and I just tracked down Josh and spoke with him. We will keep you posted.

fixxxer525 · 12-02-2009, 10:50 PM

awesome point MisterCamaro69. I went with Pedders suspension cus they've produced countless Data of their products for us. For Aaron to come out and try to put Pedders on blast was uncalled for. Especially when PFDAT just entered the Camaro game and ran, what, 6seconds slower than the Pedders Camaro? If the time is off, oh well, I guess I pulled a Aaron and Lawdogg149 comment.

SSOOCH · 12-02-2009, 11:34 PM

My heart belongs to PFADT!!

ElManny · 12-03-2009, 12:10 AM

the only thing i dont like is the pedders stuff is force fed down our throats

we ask for opinions on the competitors products and you guys pop in saying no our product is better and does this and does that. i dont think other companies cut into your threads like that. i was thinking about going pedders but now im turned off to you guys due to this. thats just my 2 cents im impartial

Info@PeddersUSA.com · 12-03-2009, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by ElManny

the only thing i dont like is the pedders stuff is force fed down our throats

we ask for opinions on the competitors products and you guys pop in saying no our product is better and does this and does that. i dont think other companies cut into your threads like that. i was thinking about going pedders but now im turned off to you guys due to this. thats just my 2 cents im impartial

I think the only time I have made posts in other threads is when either asked to or a question was asked about our products or asked to.

There have been many of my posts that other companies have chimed in, and I am totally OK with it. Aaron Pfadt, Pete and myself, have had many very good exchanges, which I think have all been respectful.

Sorry you feel the way you do.

I responded to Aaron's post specifically because he was saying that Pedders does not test our Camaros, and says that I am posting lies on the forums . You have never, ever, seen a post by me that has said anything negative about them. We have the greatest respect for them.

Be well.

mike
dms

*GTAHVIT* · 12-03-2009, 12:42 AM

For those of you that don't know.

Here is the basic Vendor rule we have at camaro5. Do not post in another vendor's thread unless someone asks you for a comparison to the OP's product. And Always keep it respectful.

Where our suspension vendors are concerned, it seems to be pretty even that they end up in eachother's threads to discuss philosophy on how suspensions should be implemented.

But to be clear, as a rule, competing vendors should stay out of eachother's threads.

Now, we have banned and warned vendors for bickering with eachother and Jacking threads. That is not tolerated. We do have a Vendor experience sub forum where any member can positively or negatively comment on their experience with any of the vendors here.

Commercial Vendor review / feedback / experiences

FWIW.

55Designs · 12-05-2009, 07:50 PM

I agree with GTHAVT. I just asked a simple question because pure physics would tell you a thicker bar will create tighter steering feedback and that is what I and many others are after on the Camaro. Just looking for PLAN B because my Power steering conversion is still in the works and should be testing next week. I will release to the board when I see results.

*GTAHVIT* · 12-05-2009, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by 55Designs

I agree with GTHAVT. I just asked a simple question because pure physics would tell you a thicker bar will create tighter steering feedback and that is what I and many others are after on the Camaro. Just looking for PLAN B because my Power steering conversion is still in the works and should be testing next week. I will release to the board when I see results.

Please do.

12-02-2009, 09:26 PM	#15
lawdogg149 Drives: Corvette ZO6 CSR edition #47 Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Calhoun, GA Posts: 767 View My Garage	You should call livernois then. __________________ Nationwide Turf "artificial turf factory"

12-02-2009, 09:42 PM	#18
The_Blur Moderator Drives: 2018 Harley-Davidson Street Bob Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: San Diego Posts: 14,769	This thread got very interesting. I will say this. All of our well-known vendors—Pfadt and Pedders both included—produce very good parts. These two brands, specifically, have done countless hours of research on multiple platforms plus engineering experience and education that makes them assets to our community and members for information and parts. A new suspension is a great way to improve the drivability and performance of a performance machine, like the Camaro. With their experience, they have developed Camaro-specific parts that improve upon the quality of the OEM suspension only if installed correctly. Basically, if you aren't an engineer like the ones that designed these kits, don't bother arguing that you know better how to install the kit. Get a degree that says so, and start working for one of them. If you are concerned or confused about your install, don't do it alone. Camaro5's vendors will help you! I also want to make a point that one of these companies may be superior to the other in production and quality. I do not want to suggest that our vendors are necessarily equals, but I do want to stress that they deserve respect and appreciation. Without their investment our parts would cost more and we might be stuck with OEM. __________________ RDP Motorsport//GEN5DIY//Cultrag Performance//JPSS//Rodgets Chevrolet// Operation Demon//Buy at Invoice//RACECARWEAR RESPECT ALL CARS. LOVE YOUR OWN. warn 145:159 ban

12-02-2009, 11:34 PM	#23
SSOOCH Camaro SL,UTs Drives: 2010 Camaro SS/RS #16429 Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: South Jordan, UT Posts: 7,358 View My Garage	My heart belongs to PFADT!! __________________

12-03-2009, 12:42 AM	#26
GTAHVIT Blessed Drives: 2013 Sonic RS MT Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Saint Augustine FL Posts: 28,444 View My Garage	For those of you that don't know. Here is the basic Vendor rule we have at camaro5. Do not post in another vendor's thread unless someone asks you for a comparison to the OP's product. And Always keep it respectful. Where our suspension vendors are concerned, it seems to be pretty even that they end up in eachother's threads to discuss philosophy on how suspensions should be implemented. But to be clear, as a rule, competing vendors should stay out of eachother's threads. Now, we have banned and warned vendors for bickering with eachother and Jacking threads. That is not tolerated. We do have a Vendor experience sub forum where any member can positively or negatively comment on their experience with any of the vendors here. Commercial Vendor review / feedback / experiences FWIW. __________________ Click image to see build thread. PQ - "the love of cars. It's a boys first step toward manhood and a mans last hold on boyhood." Fbodfather - "We do not want to use the Z28 moniker on a car that does not deserve this hallowed name." The_Blur - "Let's not confuse competitors with equals."

12-02-2009, 10:42 PM	#21
JusticePete Drives: Camaro Justice Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 20,174	Mike and I just tracked down Josh and spoke with him. We will keep you posted.

12-02-2009, 10:50 PM	#22
fixxxer525 Account Suspended Drives: 01S10,01CBR600,05Ducati, 10 2SS/RS Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: San Diego Posts: 377	awesome point MisterCamaro69. I went with Pedders suspension cus they've produced countless Data of their products for us. For Aaron to come out and try to put Pedders on blast was uncalled for. Especially when PFDAT just entered the Camaro game and ran, what, 6seconds slower than the Pedders Camaro? If the time is off, oh well, I guess I pulled a Aaron and Lawdogg149 comment.

12-03-2009, 12:10 AM	#24
ElManny Drives: 2010 CGM SS/RS COTW 7/5/2010 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Salinas, ca Posts: 1,817 View My Garage	the only thing i dont like is the pedders stuff is force fed down our throats we ask for opinions on the competitors products and you guys pop in saying no our product is better and does this and does that. i dont think other companies cut into your threads like that. i was thinking about going pedders but now im turned off to you guys due to this. thats just my 2 cents im impartial

12-05-2009, 07:50 PM	#27
55Designs Drives: 2010 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Westchester NY Posts: 990	I agree with GTHAVT. I just asked a simple question because pure physics would tell you a thicker bar will create tighter steering feedback and that is what I and many others are after on the Camaro. Just looking for PLAN B because my Power steering conversion is still in the works and should be testing next week. I will release to the board when I see results.