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snackbar64 · 04-11-2017, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Kanine

I agree, sometimes being first can be a negative. Now everyone knows what the ZL1 is capable of so Ford and Dodge will make sure they have an edge in certain if not all categories in the future.

The last Shelby GT 500 came out after the 580 hp ZL1 and the underpowered Chevy beat it out in nearly every magazine article I read. It made too much power to be a threat and was only faster in a drag race. When you have a winning formula it isn't so easily replicated.

Kanine · 04-11-2017, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by snackbar64

The last Shelby GT 500 came out after the 580 hp ZL1 and the underpowered Chevy beat it out in nearly every magazine article I read. It made too much power to be a threat and was only faster in a drag race. When you have a winning formula it isn't so easily replicated.

I agree however, most people go to the drag strip and drag race. Or stop light to stop light. I've never been to a track race or raced through my neighborhood streets. Maybe I've been sheltered.

Bhobbs · 04-11-2017, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Iroc_Z28

Sorry, what was that you were saying?

Neither of those cars will touch a Demon.

avcbm · 04-11-2017, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by snackbar64

The last Shelby GT 500 came out after the 580 hp ZL1 and the underpowered Chevy beat it out in nearly every magazine article I read. It made too much power to be a threat and was only faster in a drag race. When you have a winning formula it isn't so easily replicated.

Your right, somewhat.... on some tracks the GT500 won, especially with bigger tracks with longer straight-a-ways... hey I try to look at everything with an open mind and logic.... GT500 more power, ZL1 better platform, straight axle vs IRS was the biggest difference unless you want to throw brakes in there. ZL1 never won any acceleration test against the GT500.... Don't forget ford had the GT500 before the ZL1, so ZL1 was chasing the GT500, they just got caught sleeping in the Power area.... all the 2012 ZL1s didn't hit the streets until March 2012, and GT500 was what I think June/July 2012, same time as the 2013 ZL1s.

Been on the Gen5 and Gen6 Form since 2009, when I ordered and received my Gen5 2SS, I don't comment much, just read, learn, and take notes.... One thing I learn is that some people on here are so Brand Loyal, no matter what you say you can not and will not change their mind. For every issue they bring up negative about the competition, I can point to negative issues with the Camaro.

I just like muscle cars...... and wish I could have one of each.

wd40 · 04-11-2017, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Gonasurvive

Sweet car.

The ZL1 will probably still be more bang for the $$$

Have they said what MSRP is going to be on the Demon yet?

Also, they keep saying that the Viper is going to be shelved soon, could this be the car the fits in the place holder for the Viper?

Chevy did it with the Camaro with the Cobalt.

http://www.automobilemag.com/news/20...demon-arrives/

According to this article, MSRP is $85,000, but with only 3,000 being made for the US, ADM will be significant. Six figures anyone?

tbrennyZL1 · 04-11-2017, 09:26 PM

I do like what Dodge did here but I'm more into a complete car that can be used at a drag strip a couple times a year and at the road course a few times a year. I'm surprised Chevy hasn't put in a sub mode inside of Track and made a Drag mode for the ZL1/Z06, they need to add that next.

RagingHawk · 04-11-2017, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by HyperblueSS

Umm I think the fact that it is released directly from the manufacturer, very well qualifies it for being stock. 🤔 lol

I'm reading that non-street legal drag radials are required for the front tires to achieve the 9.6 1/4 mile time. Either way, high 9's-low 10's on the street is absurd.

762CAT · 04-11-2017, 09:29 PM

ADM will be ridiculous...Just like Ford with 100k GT350Rs that MSRP in the 60s. Sad day.

I've said this from the beginning about GM with the ZL1. One thing they did right was selling the damn car at MSRP from day one. I applaud them for that. Maybe that is the dealer? Maybe it is influence from the company but I thought that was great.

Iroc_Z28 · 04-11-2017, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Bhobbs

Neither of those cars will touch a Demon.

obviously, as neither car is tuned for straight line only performance... my response was to snackbar's comment of "They (Chevy) don't seem to be interested in these extreme, niche vehicles"... clearly the zl1 1le and upcoming zr1 are extreme, niche vehicles

avcbm · 04-11-2017, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by 762CAT

ADM will be ridiculous...Just like Ford with 100k GT350Rs that MSRP in the 60s. Sad day.

I've said this from the beginning about GM with the ZL1. One thing they did right was selling the damn car at MSRP from day one. I applaud them for that. Maybe that is the dealer? Maybe it is influence from the company but I thought that was great.

I would think demand drives ADM.... the market dictates the price... the ZL1 is just not in that high of a demand.

I had one of the first Gen5s and ADM the first year was crazy, same with the ZL1, but I got lucky both times, and never paid above ADM, actually got my SS below MSRP.

What's amazing to me is the Gen6 ZL1s can be gotten below MSRP in the first year... that tells me the demand is lower than what has been produced.

popsmk · 04-11-2017, 09:37 PM

It's a golden age for HP - I'm just enjoying the show! Would love to see one of these bad boys at a C&C.

detltu · 04-11-2017, 09:37 PM

No doubt this is cool. Interesting to see what else there is to learn about it. Hard to argue with that kind of performance. If I hit the lottery I might try to pick one up.

That being said, a drag car that is illegal on the drag strip?
You know it will be at least as compromised as a ZL1 1LE on the road and completely useless on a road course.

If the warranty stays intact even with the added safety equipment though that's pretty impressive. It's significantly easier to add a cage and DS loop then to make a hellcat/GT500/ZL1 run the same time(and add the safety equipment). Wouldn't trade my ZL1 for it but would happily add one to the garage.

jasonz28camaro · 04-11-2017, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by mkorgan

Only 69 made, can't be driven on street, and the fastest one is only a second faster than the dodge. COPO is officially old news

"Only a second faster"

laynlo15 · 04-11-2017, 09:41 PM

Its a serious ride and its gonna make a lot of headlines. Pretty dam wicked.

04-11-2017, 09:29 PM	#120
762CAT Drives: 2016 Challenger Hellcat Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: NC Posts: 147	ADM will be ridiculous...Just like Ford with 100k GT350Rs that MSRP in the 60s. Sad day. I've said this from the beginning about GM with the ZL1. One thing they did right was selling the damn car at MSRP from day one. I applaud them for that. Maybe that is the dealer? Maybe it is influence from the company but I thought that was great. __________________ Fly a 850whp HellCat Challenger Drive a 19000 HP C130J Reserved parking for ZL1 1LE….whoops filled the spot with a Charger Hellcat daily…….

04-11-2017, 09:37 PM	#123
popsmk Drives: 2017 ZL1 MBM Coupe Join Date: Feb 2017 Location: New England Posts: 86	It's a golden age for HP - I'm just enjoying the show! Would love to see one of these bad boys at a C&C. __________________ 2017 Camaro ZL1 Coupe - "Spectre" - MBM, M6, PDR 1000 - 03/09 // 2000 - 03/11 // 3000 - 03/15 // 3400 - 03/17 // 4300 - 03/31 4B00 - 04/01 // 4200 - 04/26 // 4800 - 05/03 // 5000 - 05/08 // 6000 - 05/09 .....................................

04-11-2017, 09:37 PM	#124
detltu Drives: 1992 Z28 1LE; 2015 Zl1 Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Madisonville, LA Posts: 866 View My Garage	No doubt this is cool. Interesting to see what else there is to learn about it. Hard to argue with that kind of performance. If I hit the lottery I might try to pick one up. That being said, a drag car that is illegal on the drag strip? You know it will be at least as compromised as a ZL1 1LE on the road and completely useless on a road course. If the warranty stays intact even with the added safety equipment though that's pretty impressive. It's significantly easier to add a cage and DS loop then to make a hellcat/GT500/ZL1 run the same time(and add the safety equipment). Wouldn't trade my ZL1 for it but would happily add one to the garage. __________________ 1989 Camaro RS convertible- Sold 1999 Camaro SS - Stolen 2x 1991 Camaro Z28- 1991 Camaro Z28 1LE- 1992 Camaro Z28 1LE- 25th anniversary 2015 Camaro ZL1

04-11-2017, 09:41 PM	#126
laynlo15 Drives: 2022 Lt1 A10 Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: clark, mo Posts: 8,860	Its a serious ride and its gonna make a lot of headlines. Pretty dam wicked. __________________ 2022 Lt1 6.2 A10, Maggie 2300, THPSI Port Inj/10 rib, Rotofab, E, Nickey, SCOL, Griptech, RC Bandits, Hoosiers/MT 9.80@142.96 1.44 60ft, 6.34@112 707/669 RWHP/TRQ. 16SS Maggie 2650 9.41@147 1.35 60ft, 5.99@119. 16 C7 A8 10.90@128 Bolt on stuff

04-11-2017, 09:26 PM	#118
tbrennyZL1 Drives: Corvette Z06 Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 126	I do like what Dodge did here but I'm more into a complete car that can be used at a drag strip a couple times a year and at the road course a few times a year. I'm surprised Chevy hasn't put in a sub mode inside of Track and made a Drag mode for the ZL1/Z06, they need to add that next.