2013 Ford Mustang Shelby GT 500 650 HP! How will it stack up against the ZL1?

[tomsws6]

Its real easy to get caught up in this debate. The mustang wont be able to put the power to the ground, ZL1 needs more power to compete, 200mph is gonna smoke the Z, the Z can put a smaller pully on the lsa and will run with it ect ect but niether one of them is even out yet so we can say all we want but until theres a comparo it dont mean jack. Were all just bench racin.



gotta admit I cant keep out of it either! Smaller pully and a tune with cup tires and it will dominate the gt500 like shes a little girl with one less lollypop!

[Uneducated Guess]

Originally Posted by tomsws6

200mph is gonna smoke the Z

how often will anybody have a chance to either reach the GT500 top speed of 200+ or ZL1 of 184. not gonna do it on the quarter mile, not gonna do it on the track. anybody plan on taking their car to the autobahn?

[Shurenuff]

Originally Posted by Ltespd

Nope...don't agree. The cars you can buy and drive at the same time are direct competiors.
Also after the latest news I personally would stay away from a 2012 ZL1. The 2013 will probably be a better performer...and you don't have to wait much longer to get it. Remember the 1st year 2004 GTO? How about the 1st year Z06? The 2nd year cars had big improvements.

This is my one very real concern about this whole debacle. I couldn't care less about the GT500, but I do worry that GM might answer back with the 2013 model year ZL1. As a 2012 owner of a car that's going to see a very short production run, that would tick me off. I don't expect progress to stop or for my car to be the end all of Camaros, but I also don't want my thunder stolen just months after accepting delivery.

However, I'm not too confident that GM is nimble enough to make significant changes for the 2013 model year. My money would be on the 2014 model, and I'd have no problem with that, but there's no way I'd be willing to wait for that one.

[JerseyMonte]

The fight starts!
http://jalopnik.com/5859549/the-2013...-zl1-its-bitch

[Hylton]

Originally Posted by Jekyll-N-Hyde

most people dont care how fast the car is they just buy it for looks.

Sort of like how they see their mates right Dave?

[GoldenBear]

Originally Posted by Ltespd

Nope...don't agree. The cars you can buy and drive at the same time are direct competiors.

One will be able to buy and drive the 2013 GT500 and 2013 ZL1 at the same time.

Are you stating that the 2013 GT500 and 2013 ZL1 won't be available at the same time during the customary time frame for the 2013 model year? A few week difference in actual release date, if there is, doesn't mean they are not direct competitors.

Originally Posted by IOMZL1

All said and done the 2013 GT500 is impressive, but maybe not AS impressive once you start digging past the marketing fluff of the press release. Let’s let the performance decide when the cars hit the streets. By the way, both the 2013 ZL1 and 2013 GT500 are scheduled to hit the dealers in the Summer (see reference articles above). That should end all talk of 2012 vs. 2013. as they are direct competitors.

Yes, let's wait for the 2013 GT500 vs. 2013 ZL1 performance comparisons. I hope that the 2012 vs. 2013 comparison nonsense is put to rest once and for all.

[Revo1]

A new Mustang every year, isn't that precious?

[toilets]

Originally Posted by GoldenBear

One will be able to buy and drive the 2013 GT500 and 2013 ZL1 at the same time.

Are you stating that the 2013 GT500 and 2013 ZL1 won't be available at the same time during the customary time frame for the 2013 model year? A few week difference in actual release date, if there is, doesn't mean they are not direct competitors.






Yes, let's wait for the 2013 GT500 vs. 2013 ZL1 performance comparisons. I hope that the 2012 vs. 2013 comparison nonsense is put to rest once and for all.

You honestly think the 2013 Zl1 will have any difference in performance compared to the 2012?

I dont think you can given the fact the 2013 vert specs are already out. you cant have a coupe from the same assembly line as the vert and be completely different performance wise.

[chain777]

Originally Posted by GTAHVIT

I think GM made a calculated decision... all the technology they have in the ZL1 was going to keep it north of 4K...

We all know Ford has been sitting on a ton of unused power with their forged engine...

I have no idea who's right, nor am I going to take a bet... but the cars are different enough that the Iphone generation may lean to the ZL1 while more traditional muscle car guys will like the bragging rights of the GT500

Just have to wait and see.

That's actually a pretty good analogy. I'd used an android phone as the counter to the iphone. People who buy iphones do so more out of status, looks and ease of use. Android users tend to be more concerned about bang for the buck, more variety and mod-ability. They'll sacrifice form for function.

I see a lot of arguments of how the Camaro looks better, rides better, and gets noticed more. And the MR is touted as much more advanced, but really, it has more to do with comfort than all out performance. It's a more sophisticated package with an edgier look.

The Mustangs look is more conservative, and it sacrifices some refinement for simplicity and light weight with it's SRA. But it gets the job done, and does it for less money. And like the android, you can have it in many flavors, from a basic 6 cylinder for economy, or a performance package for more fun. Or from a basic 5.0, to a Brembo package, or a Boss for the ultimate NA fun. If that's not enough, move up to the GT500 in basic and top performance trims. Lots of options.

Good analogy.

Originally Posted by JusticePete

30 pounds for a larger engine cooloing system, a batch of additional coolers, bigger brakes, stronger diff, stronger tranny... Maybe they made them all out of ultra light weight unobtainium

We'll all see when the car is built and Ford issues the final specifications in a year of less, but I'll stand by my guess it is about the same weight as a ZL1. If it does come in only 30 pounds heavier feel free to humiliate me and my crystal ball with this post.

I'm just quoting this in case I have a chance to humiliate you later.

[GoldenBear]

Originally Posted by toilets

You honestly think the 2013 Zl1 will have any difference in performance compared to the 2012?

Don't read too much into what I stated. I stated that one should wait to see the 2013 GT500 vs. 2013 GT500 performance comparisons. The 2013 ZL1 may or may not perform differently from the 2012 model, but adjustments are made quite often from one model year to the next. Look at the differences among the 1967 and 1968 and 1969 Camaros, for example.

Originally Posted by toilets

I dont think you can given the fact the 2013 vert specs are already out. you cant have a coupe from the same assembly line as the vert and be completely different performance wise.

Why can't a coupe from the same assembly plant that produces a convertible have different performance capabilities than that of the convertible? The GS Corvette convertible is made in the same plant as the Z06 and ZR1.

[Scarrzz]

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I'm betting the quarter mile time released by Ford will not begin with the number 12.

I don't think ZL1's quarter mile time should begin with a 12.

That is all.

[toilets]

But is the GS vert and the GS competely different in power? In my eyes, you are quoting an entirely different car (Zo6, ZR1) yes I know its still a Corvette.

Dont want to start a fight as I respect very much the input you provide on this forum... I just dont think that its possible or should I say, I dont think GM will do it due to cost.

If anything, it will be 2014 before Cafe standards are much more restrictive in 2015 where we will see a increase OR we may just see a possible performance package or just nothing at all...

[rez333]

Originally Posted by Rock36

I'm pretty sure he is referring to the additional engine oil, tranny, and diff coolers, not just the "upgraded" trans and diff.

And I'm pretty sure that if Ford made significant efforts to cut weight in other areas, they would have advertised that too. Why would they remain quiet on weight saving measures? That would be another great selling point if it were true.

I believe 3850lbs is what a base GT500 will weigh without options. What all the performance package options will add to that in the end is anybody's guess.

Current GT500 is 3820lbs. Carbon Fiber driveshaft is a loss of 40lbs already, that brings it down to 3780lbs - then add 70lbs of other stuff, then subtract some for other stuff etc and you end up at 3850lbs.

[toilets]

Originally Posted by rez333

Current GT500 is 3820lbs. Carbon Fiber driveshaft is a loss of 40lbs already, that brings it down to 3780lbs - then add 70lbs of other stuff, then subtract some for other stuff etc and you end up at 3850lbs.

40lbs for the shaft no way. really?.. Fords could be different but look at "Doc's" build here and he went to a single carbon shaft from the stock 2 piece ss one, and it was only a difference of 3 pounds