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JCunningham · 06-02-2015, 11:36 PM

3 of us fought for 5 hrs and could not get it the last 1/2" trany (M6) is in the car. I hope im not fing up the input shaft. bashed my finger good too.

do i have to take the trany out?

Homeless Man · 06-03-2015, 05:48 AM

Why was it out

Aries240SS · 06-03-2015, 06:47 AM

Pull the tranny and stab the whole thing as one piece. Lining up the clutch and input shaft is tough with the tranny already in the car if you don't have some practice.

AITI · 06-03-2015, 09:54 AM

Are you sure you properly aligned the clutch/PP plate when tightening the bolts on the PP? Sounds like your out of alignment slightly so the very end of the trans input shaft is not entering the pilot bearing properly. That would be the last 1/2".

When using an alignment tool you still have a bit of play so wiggle it each way and then judge the center of the play as your point to tighten the bolts. And always tighten them evenly criss crossing so it pulls the clutch plate in evenly.

JCunningham · 06-03-2015, 10:25 AM

i did tighten it in a crisscross pattern with the tool. the tool will still go all the way in.
did a cam, lifters, oil pickup tube, Improved Racing oil baffle, and crank scraper.
Aries the car is on stands so theres not enough room to put the engine and trans in the car together correct? I was thinking remove the trans and let it sit on the floor. bolt engine in then put trany in.

Pluto · 06-03-2015, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by JCunningham

i did tighten it in a crisscross pattern with the tool. the tool will still go all the way in.
did a cam, lifters, oil pickup tube, Improved Racing oil baffle, and crank scraper.
Aries the car is on stands so theres not enough room to put the engine and trans in the car together correct? I was thinking remove the trans and let it sit on the floor. bolt engine in then put trany in.

Did you try to turn the crank while trying to stab it? Ever so slightly of course

JCunningham · 06-03-2015, 01:00 PM

no but i thing the splines would have been in

GONIF · 06-03-2015, 03:22 PM

if you have the clutch disc right ,then you twist right and left and up and down jiggling it while pushing it in with the trans out of gear. .

Pluto · 06-03-2015, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by GONIF

if you have the clutch disc right ,then you twist right and left and up and down jiggling it while pushing it in with the trans out of gear. .

That too...all I can think of

christianchevell · 06-03-2015, 07:59 PM

some splines I have done on some different vehicle will have barely noticeable little welds in between a set of the splines so that a shaft will only go in in one position.......I would carefully look if your trying, but of course you if this is able..... to drop the drive shaft, I never put a engine in without removing the drive shaft then fitting it in last.?

JCunningham · 06-03-2015, 10:34 PM

im pretty sure the splines are all the same. cant get to it again until monday

Pluto · 06-03-2015, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by JCunningham

im pretty sure the splines are all the same. cant get to it again until monday

Are you trying to drop the long block in? Or are you installing the heads and dressing in the car? You may be able to man handle it easier with just the short block

JCunningham · 06-03-2015, 11:40 PM

long block

JCunningham · 06-04-2015, 12:22 AM

I put a Monster Billet bearing support in. I was thinking should i open the remote bleeder. there's nothing but air in the slave.

06-02-2015, 11:36 PM	#1
JCunningham Drives: 2017 2SS M6 Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: WNY Posts: 7,070	Why cant I get the engine back in 3 of us fought for 5 hrs and could not get it the last 1/2" trany (M6) is in the car. I hope im not fing up the input shaft. bashed my finger good too. do i have to take the trany out? __________________ real ZL1 wheels and brakes, 285/305 Michelin Pilot Super Sports, Pray ported Intake manifold, Soler Throttle Body, Rotofab intake, EFI Tuning Flex fuel kit, full American Racing Headers Exhaust, 1 7/8" w/ cats H pipe and mufflers. Full 1LE suspension, with BMR adjustable sway bars and links, GM aluminum cradle bushings, Hurst shifter with lighter reverse spring, TWM shifter knob, Tick level 1 transmission. I should have bought a ZL1 Last edited by JCunningham; 06-03-2015 at 12:45 AM.

06-03-2015, 06:47 AM	#3
Aries240SS Drives: 2011 1SS RS Camaro, 1995 LSX 240SX Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 461	Pull the tranny and stab the whole thing as one piece. Lining up the clutch and input shaft is tough with the tranny already in the car if you don't have some practice. __________________ 2011 Camaro 1SS Whipple Supercharged street monster

06-03-2015, 10:25 AM	#5
JCunningham Drives: 2017 2SS M6 Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: WNY Posts: 7,070	i did tighten it in a crisscross pattern with the tool. the tool will still go all the way in. did a cam, lifters, oil pickup tube, Improved Racing oil baffle, and crank scraper. Aries the car is on stands so theres not enough room to put the engine and trans in the car together correct? I was thinking remove the trans and let it sit on the floor. bolt engine in then put trany in. __________________ real ZL1 wheels and brakes, 285/305 Michelin Pilot Super Sports, Pray ported Intake manifold, Soler Throttle Body, Rotofab intake, EFI Tuning Flex fuel kit, full American Racing Headers Exhaust, 1 7/8" w/ cats H pipe and mufflers. Full 1LE suspension, with BMR adjustable sway bars and links, GM aluminum cradle bushings, Hurst shifter with lighter reverse spring, TWM shifter knob, Tick level 1 transmission. I should have bought a ZL1

06-03-2015, 01:00 PM	#7
JCunningham Drives: 2017 2SS M6 Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: WNY Posts: 7,070	no but i thing the splines would have been in __________________ real ZL1 wheels and brakes, 285/305 Michelin Pilot Super Sports, Pray ported Intake manifold, Soler Throttle Body, Rotofab intake, EFI Tuning Flex fuel kit, full American Racing Headers Exhaust, 1 7/8" w/ cats H pipe and mufflers. Full 1LE suspension, with BMR adjustable sway bars and links, GM aluminum cradle bushings, Hurst shifter with lighter reverse spring, TWM shifter knob, Tick level 1 transmission. I should have bought a ZL1

06-03-2015, 03:22 PM	#8
GONIF Drives: 73 VETTE ,, 05 2500hd diesel,14 1LE Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: The Left lane PHOENIX AZ Posts: 2,626	if you have the clutch disc right ,then you twist right and left and up and down jiggling it while pushing it in with the trans out of gear. . __________________ OLD GUY FLYING FAST AND LOW

06-03-2015, 05:48 AM	#2
Homeless Man Homeless Life Chose Me Drives: LS3 (sold 4/21) Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Streets of Philly Posts: 3,650	Why was it out

06-03-2015, 09:54 AM	#4
AITI Account Suspended Drives: 2015 LFX Auto Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: US of A Posts: 280	Are you sure you properly aligned the clutch/PP plate when tightening the bolts on the PP? Sounds like your out of alignment slightly so the very end of the trans input shaft is not entering the pilot bearing properly. That would be the last 1/2". When using an alignment tool you still have a bit of play so wiggle it each way and then judge the center of the play as your point to tighten the bolts. And always tighten them evenly criss crossing so it pulls the clutch plate in evenly.

06-03-2015, 07:59 PM	#10
christianchevell old school chevy rodder Drives: 2013 2SS/RS Manual,DM exhaust,CRT Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Oregon Posts: 5,587 View My Garage	some splines I have done on some different vehicle will have barely noticeable little welds in between a set of the splines so that a shaft will only go in in one position.......I would carefully look if your trying, but of course you if this is able..... to drop the drive shaft, I never put a engine in without removing the drive shaft then fitting it in last.? __________________ 2021 Wild Cherry ZL1 A10, Sunroof, Data, Carbon, Nav, RotoFab Dry CAI, Elite x2, Borla ATK, Driveshaft shop

06-03-2015, 10:34 PM	#11
JCunningham Drives: 2017 2SS M6 Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: WNY Posts: 7,070	im pretty sure the splines are all the same. cant get to it again until monday __________________ real ZL1 wheels and brakes, 285/305 Michelin Pilot Super Sports, Pray ported Intake manifold, Soler Throttle Body, Rotofab intake, EFI Tuning Flex fuel kit, full American Racing Headers Exhaust, 1 7/8" w/ cats H pipe and mufflers. Full 1LE suspension, with BMR adjustable sway bars and links, GM aluminum cradle bushings, Hurst shifter with lighter reverse spring, TWM shifter knob, Tick level 1 transmission. I should have bought a ZL1

06-03-2015, 11:40 PM	#13
JCunningham Drives: 2017 2SS M6 Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: WNY Posts: 7,070	long block __________________ real ZL1 wheels and brakes, 285/305 Michelin Pilot Super Sports, Pray ported Intake manifold, Soler Throttle Body, Rotofab intake, EFI Tuning Flex fuel kit, full American Racing Headers Exhaust, 1 7/8" w/ cats H pipe and mufflers. Full 1LE suspension, with BMR adjustable sway bars and links, GM aluminum cradle bushings, Hurst shifter with lighter reverse spring, TWM shifter knob, Tick level 1 transmission. I should have bought a ZL1

06-04-2015, 12:22 AM	#14
JCunningham Drives: 2017 2SS M6 Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: WNY Posts: 7,070	I put a Monster Billet bearing support in. I was thinking should i open the remote bleeder. there's nothing but air in the slave. __________________ real ZL1 wheels and brakes, 285/305 Michelin Pilot Super Sports, Pray ported Intake manifold, Soler Throttle Body, Rotofab intake, EFI Tuning Flex fuel kit, full American Racing Headers Exhaust, 1 7/8" w/ cats H pipe and mufflers. Full 1LE suspension, with BMR adjustable sway bars and links, GM aluminum cradle bushings, Hurst shifter with lighter reverse spring, TWM shifter knob, Tick level 1 transmission. I should have bought a ZL1