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Old 07-03-2013, 11:20 AM   #323
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Opel Insignia Country Tourer.

GM's answer to the Audi Allroad.
Looks like a Subaru Outback and a Chrysler Pacifica had a baby.....
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Old 07-03-2013, 11:44 AM   #324
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Well, with Ford & Dodge out of the game everybody else can get a bigger slice of the pie now.

I think the main problem that the smaller trucks face is was an engineering push to 'go bigger' -higher towing, more payload, bigger engines, etc. But from anything I've heard, people who want smaller trucks generally weren't asking for improvements there. They want something with a bed for oversized/bulk cargo (its hard to haul gravel in an SUV) or maybe they've got a snowmobile/jet ski or something that only weighs a few hundred pounds. They don't need a truck thats capable of towing 3 tons (let alone the 4 or 5 ton capacity of some half ton pickups). By and large, they wanted something that was efficient & small enough to not be cumbersome when driving around in town.
Right on.

I read a comment somewhere about a salesman who said that when a decent used Ranger hit the lot, it sold right away. Whereas they had a larger Colorado on the lot and it had been sitting there for 3 months.

I have a Ranger extended cab and it is the right truck for me. I use the bed fairly often. I have always had a truck, and plan to always have a truck in the future, but a fullsize is not something I need.

Soon, b/c of a growing family I will be searching for a 4 door small truck. Yes, the mileage won't be worlds better than a newer modern full size, but I'm not looking to spend new vehicle money either....so if I can get 18 - 19 mpg average versus 14 - 15 average....AND spend less on the initial purchase thats what I will do.

Seeing these spy shots of the new Colorado/Canyon I'm a little worried that they are still too big...they look just as big or bigger than the current ones but probably not. I really really hope they can offer the truck with a decent mpg average, and at a price that isn't just a hair under fullsize. If not, they may as well kill off the truck right now.
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Old 07-03-2013, 11:48 AM   #325
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If you're looking for a new S-10/Sonoma then the next-gen midsize trucks aren't going to be for you.
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Old 07-03-2013, 02:21 PM   #326
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Well there's this. Nobody seems to like them but they're exactly what everyone asks for.

Yes yes yes I want I want I want bring it to me and take my money!! seriously if this came over in the next couple of years it might go to the top of the list of next new car I buy. Just not in that color.
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Old 07-03-2013, 03:50 PM   #327
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If you're looking for a new S-10/Sonoma then the next-gen midsize trucks aren't going to be for you.
Not looking for an S-10. Just a small/mid size truck that makes sense. Looking forward to their reveal.
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Old 07-03-2013, 05:28 PM   #328
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It's essentially a modern day El Camino.

GM builds a smaller, FWD-based model too. It's sold in Mexico and South America.

I saw one of these on I-10 with Sonoran plates a few days ago. Threw me off as I hadn't seen one before. It almost appears smaller than an S-10. I didn't like it but maybe a use for it in Mexico. I've also seen a few of the crew cab Rangers from Mexico running around Tucson. Not sure why Ford never brought them here, but that's their loss.
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Old 07-04-2013, 02:05 AM   #329
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So Fen, out of curiosity... I haven't read up on it a lot, but are the new Colorados and Canyons body on frame or unibody?
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Old 07-04-2013, 08:06 AM   #330
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Body on frame.
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Old 07-04-2013, 11:28 AM   #331
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If you're looking for a new S-10/Sonoma then the next-gen midsize trucks aren't going to be for you.
Care to elaborate on this a little further? The s10/Sonoma never really did any one thing great but made for a good small chore truck with decent mpg's. You keep saying the newer smaller trucks are focusing a lot on fuel mileage so why would they not be a good replacement?
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Old 07-04-2013, 11:56 AM   #332
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Care to elaborate on this a little further? The s10/Sonoma never really did any one thing great but made for a good small chore truck with decent mpg's. You keep saying the newer smaller trucks are focusing a lot on fuel mileage so why would they not be a good replacement?
Because the new midsize trucks won't be that small. Mark Reuss spoke about them a few months ago and he was talking 90% the size of a K2XX Silverado.

In the sense that they'll be for those who want an alternative to a full size with better FE and have no need for the payload/towing capacity of the full sizes, then yes, they're similar to the GMT-325s in that regard. But if you're wanting a compact truck like the 325s, these aren't it. They're still going to be pretty big.
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Yeah...I think the compact truck is long gone...although in reality a w/t single cab Colorado is a pretty small truck still....but that's not even close to what I need lol.
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Old 07-05-2013, 04:32 PM   #334
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Opel's revealing an Alpha-based RWD coupe at the Frankfurt Motor Show this September.
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Old 07-05-2013, 05:29 PM   #335
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Opel's revealing an Alpha-based RWD coupe at the Frankfurt Motor Show this September.
Possibly a hint to the next camaro or something totally different but still awesome? I'm sure even if its not the next camaro cousin it should give some insight on the specs to the next camaro.
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Old 07-05-2013, 05:42 PM   #336
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I'd say more Buick than Camaro.
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