4 point harness with stock seats

Crushed 1LE · 05-26-2021, 03:35 PM

Curious if anyone has tried installing a seat belt bar and 4 point harness, but retaining the OEM ZL1 seats?

Trying to work out if the angles and geometry would work. I just want to be strapped in tighter so I don't slide around and hang onto the wheel so much at the track (many very tight corners).

kropscamaro16 · 05-26-2021, 04:21 PM

yes i have seen people do it the guy i got my cage from used had a zl1 with cage and 4 point harness in his car

Zl1+911 · 05-26-2021, 04:34 PM

I had this in the ZLE I just bought. I have the cage and the 4 point system for sale too

Crushed 1LE · 05-26-2021, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Zl1+911

I had this in the ZLE I just bought. I have the cage and the 4 point system for sale too

Who is the manufacturer of the cage and harness?

RamAir02 · 05-26-2021, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Crushed 1LE

Who is the manufacturer of the cage and harness?

https://www.camaro6.com/forums/showt...php?p=11012895

Crushed 1LE · 05-26-2021, 05:21 PM

Damn. Wish I was anywhere other than 5000 kilometres away from you. Could of been a nice road trip. Lol.

kropscamaro16 · 05-26-2021, 05:25 PM

i just got a used garage therapy cage from a forum member for $1500 used shipped

d15b7 · 05-26-2021, 08:07 PM

Just my opinion but if you are putting a rollbar/half cage in it and belts, you should install 5 or 6 point belts. The submarine (crotch) belt is very important in a high speed frontal collision to keep you in your seat. A car this fast should (my opinion) have more/better safety gear when running hard on track than say a 120 hp Miata (honestly I’d want to have gear in that car too but the likelihood of a extremely high energy impact is way higher in a ZL1 (or GT350R or ZR1 or or or...).

I’ve personally been in a bad bad wreck on track and the cage/belts/HANS/window nets saved my ass (and a bit of luck. Still had life flight trip to Fairfax Trauma center and a week long visit but I lived!). That occurred during a big NASA road race fighting for the lead last lap 2 corners to go in 2014. We had contact and both crashed (he flipped multiple times and I went in the wall and eventually trees drivers right after T9 at Summit at about 90 mph.). And that’s in a lower power PTE (ITS) classed ‘93 Probe GT V6 racecar.

So ya, that episode really changed my outlook on safety and today’s super high speed capable cars. If I’d ever take my ZLE to the track (it’s unlikely as I own two other pure race cars and drive a third for a team) id drive it gently and probably would be overly cautious in stock form. And (for me personally) its too valuable to rip out the seats and put in a roll cage and belts and fire bottle etc to make it safe enough to drive st 10/10ths. Again that’s just me and my experiences. These cars are capable of 150-160+ bone stock and if the worst happens at high speeds like that, you don’t want your last thought to be ‘darn I wish I had put in that cage and seats and 6 pt belts and HANS and suit’

Apexslayer · 05-26-2021, 08:31 PM

If you go with a 4 -point, make sure it has an anti-submarine feature such as Schroth's

Crushed 1LE · 05-26-2021, 09:07 PM

Looking for installation feedback on the BK offering of harness bars. Anyone recently installed one? Hoping to avoid any type of drilling or interior panel modification.

Crushed 1LE · 05-26-2021, 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Apexslayer

If you go with a 4 -point, make sure it has an anti-submarine feature such as Schroth's

Yes, I'm definitely going with anti-sub protection. As I earlier posted, I'm more concerned about keeping me in the seat and off the steering wheel. But safety will always be #1.

Timbo-1LE · 05-27-2021, 04:53 AM

Please read up, not sure the stock seats are set for what your doing. I had same delema, and after reading up and making calls, I went with schroth 3 point ASM system after talking with them. Note the camaro is not officially approved when placement of back belt is down, angle is wrong. They told me to tie into the C pillar. Use a blank clip to ensure airbags air activated. These are $10 on amazon. They stated this would be best with my Simpson Hybrid, best of factory safety, but hold me in the seats... Do research of what works for you.... Like the guy above, I wear a full suit and go a bit far on safety, and passengers also wear a suit and spare hybrid, it's expensive, but $1000 for added measure is priceless. Plus I only go 80% with passengers, they don't need to be scared, but learn why this is so thrilling... Just my views be safe.

GMteSSted · 05-27-2021, 03:57 PM

Will you post some pics of the Schroth 3 point? I didn't know they made such a thing....
Does it attach at the factory locations? Same as factory just without the auto-retract?

Timbo-1LE · 05-28-2021, 08:15 PM

Yes if I get the garage cleaned up.enough.

05-26-2021, 04:21 PM	#2
kropscamaro16 Drives: 2016 1ss camaro Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: 909 Posts: 9,817	yes i have seen people do it the guy i got my cage from used had a zl1 with cage and 4 point harness in his car __________________ 16 1SS NIGHTFALL GRAY METALLIC WITH NPP #BECAUSERACECAR #SAVETHEMANUALS

05-26-2021, 05:25 PM	#7
kropscamaro16 Drives: 2016 1ss camaro Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: 909 Posts: 9,817	i just got a used garage therapy cage from a forum member for $1500 used shipped __________________ 16 1SS NIGHTFALL GRAY METALLIC WITH NPP #BECAUSERACECAR #SAVETHEMANUALS

05-26-2021, 03:35 PM	#1
Crushed 1LE Drives: 2022 ZL1(FEA suspension) Rapid Blue Join Date: Apr 2019 Location: Chemainus BC, Canada Posts: 489	4 point harness with stock seats Curious if anyone has tried installing a seat belt bar and 4 point harness, but retaining the OEM ZL1 seats? Trying to work out if the angles and geometry would work. I just want to be strapped in tighter so I don't slide around and hang onto the wheel so much at the track (many very tight corners).

05-26-2021, 04:34 PM	#3
Zl1+911 Drives: 997 GTS, ZL1 A10, ZLEM6, ZLEA10 Join Date: Dec 2017 Location: NYC/NJ Posts: 630	I had this in the ZLE I just bought. I have the cage and the 4 point system for sale too

05-26-2021, 05:21 PM	#6
Crushed 1LE Drives: 2022 ZL1(FEA suspension) Rapid Blue Join Date: Apr 2019 Location: Chemainus BC, Canada Posts: 489	Damn. Wish I was anywhere other than 5000 kilometres away from you. Could of been a nice road trip. Lol.

05-26-2021, 08:07 PM	#8
d15b7 Drives: 2020 Camaro ZL1 1 LE Join Date: Mar 2021 Location: MD Posts: 93	Just my opinion but if you are putting a rollbar/half cage in it and belts, you should install 5 or 6 point belts. The submarine (crotch) belt is very important in a high speed frontal collision to keep you in your seat. A car this fast should (my opinion) have more/better safety gear when running hard on track than say a 120 hp Miata (honestly I’d want to have gear in that car too but the likelihood of a extremely high energy impact is way higher in a ZL1 (or GT350R or ZR1 or or or...). I’ve personally been in a bad bad wreck on track and the cage/belts/HANS/window nets saved my ass (and a bit of luck. Still had life flight trip to Fairfax Trauma center and a week long visit but I lived!). That occurred during a big NASA road race fighting for the lead last lap 2 corners to go in 2014. We had contact and both crashed (he flipped multiple times and I went in the wall and eventually trees drivers right after T9 at Summit at about 90 mph.). And that’s in a lower power PTE (ITS) classed ‘93 Probe GT V6 racecar. So ya, that episode really changed my outlook on safety and today’s super high speed capable cars. If I’d ever take my ZLE to the track (it’s unlikely as I own two other pure race cars and drive a third for a team) id drive it gently and probably would be overly cautious in stock form. And (for me personally) its too valuable to rip out the seats and put in a roll cage and belts and fire bottle etc to make it safe enough to drive st 10/10ths. Again that’s just me and my experiences. These cars are capable of 150-160+ bone stock and if the worst happens at high speeds like that, you don’t want your last thought to be ‘darn I wish I had put in that cage and seats and 6 pt belts and HANS and suit’

05-26-2021, 08:31 PM	#9
Apexslayer Drives: Zl1 1le Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Midwest Posts: 183	If you go with a 4 -point, make sure it has an anti-submarine feature such as Schroth's

05-26-2021, 09:07 PM	#10
Crushed 1LE Drives: 2022 ZL1(FEA suspension) Rapid Blue Join Date: Apr 2019 Location: Chemainus BC, Canada Posts: 489	Looking for installation feedback on the BK offering of harness bars. Anyone recently installed one? Hoping to avoid any type of drilling or interior panel modification.

05-27-2021, 04:53 AM	#12
Timbo-1LE Drives: 2017 SS 1LE Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: Florida Posts: 617	Please read up, not sure the stock seats are set for what your doing. I had same delema, and after reading up and making calls, I went with schroth 3 point ASM system after talking with them. Note the camaro is not officially approved when placement of back belt is down, angle is wrong. They told me to tie into the C pillar. Use a blank clip to ensure airbags air activated. These are $10 on amazon. They stated this would be best with my Simpson Hybrid, best of factory safety, but hold me in the seats... Do research of what works for you.... Like the guy above, I wear a full suit and go a bit far on safety, and passengers also wear a suit and spare hybrid, it's expensive, but $1000 for added measure is priceless. Plus I only go 80% with passengers, they don't need to be scared, but learn why this is so thrilling... Just my views be safe.

05-27-2021, 03:57 PM	#13
GMteSSted Drives: 2018 ZL1 1LE Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Tennessee Posts: 877 View My Garage	Will you post some pics of the Schroth 3 point? I didn't know they made such a thing.... Does it attach at the factory locations? Same as factory just without the auto-retract?

05-28-2021, 08:15 PM	#14
Timbo-1LE Drives: 2017 SS 1LE Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: Florida Posts: 617	Yes if I get the garage cleaned up.enough.

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