What is the truth?

[07-SRT]

Originally Posted by CGMMonster

refuse to believe this. Talking about a car with more hp and less weight

Your right, I just made it up......because weight and hp tells the whole story right?
I mean forget about gearing, transmission efficiency & area under the dyno curve...

[Mint]

Originally Posted by 07-SRT

I have friends that have both....stock auto vs auto is a drivers race between L99 and R/T...

Quarter mile times don't lie... Stock R/T will run a 14 second quarter mile... L99 Will run a high 12 or low 13

Stock L99 = 4.7 seconds to 60mph. R/T is 5.5 seconds.
Want an even race? SRT8 vs Camaro SS. Sadly the SRT8 is $15,000 more though.

[07-SRT]

Originally Posted by Mint

Quarter mile times don't lie... Stock R/T will run a 14 second quarter mile... L99 Will run a high 12 or low 13

Stock L99 = 4.7 seconds to 60mph. R/T is 5.5 seconds.
Want an even race? SRT8 vs Camaro SS. Sadly the SRT8 is $15,000 more though.

So you own a ss and srt like I do ? Sounds like You do too much magazine reading and if your paying 15k more for an srt, I have ocean front propery for sale in Kansas. ....lol

Also for 2015 you can purchase an R/T with the 6.4L 392 8 speed auto that dodge says will run mid to low 12's and starts at 38k......

[HeaterMan]

Originally Posted by 07-SRT

So you own a ss and srt like I do ? Sounds like You do too much magazine reading and if your paying 15k more for an srt, I have ocean front propery for sale in Kansas. ....lol

Also for 2015 you can purchase an R/T with the 6.4L 392 8 speed auto that dodge says will run mid to low 12's and starts at 38k......

isn't it called a core 392 or something like that? I am thinking about that as an option for my next car.

[Bad70supreme]

Rt is not a drivers race for a l99 by any means. I don't care what anyone says, I seen more then enough of these cars at the track and raced plenty of them. 13.1-6 from a l99 is pretty commen, RTs all I ever see is 14 sec passes! Who really cares this much anyway, who races a stock car!!!

Ya 5.0s on avg seem a bit faster, so what! Mod you sh$t and go whoop that a$$.

[07-SRT]

Originally Posted by HeaterMan

isn't it called a core 392 or something like that? I am thinking about that as an option for my next car.

There was a 392 srt core option, but the R/T scat pack is taking its place for 2015 and 2k less starting price.

[HeaterMan]

Originally Posted by 07-SRT

There was a 392 srt core option, but the R/T scat pack is taking its place for 2015 and 2k less starting price.

the scat pack with shaker and 8 speed auto is what I am looking at.

[Mint]

Originally Posted by 07-SRT

So you own a ss and srt like I do ? Sounds like You do too much magazine reading and if your paying 15k more for an srt, I have ocean front propery for sale in Kansas. ....lol

Also for 2015 you can purchase an R/T with the 6.4L 392 8 speed auto that dodge says will run mid to low 12's and starts at 38k......

Go look up prices. It's posted right on the websites. Also that R/T with the 6.4 is $5,000 more than a 1SS. For what you get (quarter mile wise) for the price it goes Mustang>Camaro>Challenger. You own a 07SRT so you should know that stock vs stock your Camaro SS would win and that's vs a SRT8, not even the R/T.

[VADER SS L99]

Originally Posted by Grabber

:deadhorse:

Realistically, I would compare the max potential in stock form with great drivers behind the wheel. A Stock SS has achieved a best time of 12.6 Complete Stock, where as the 5.0 has gone 12.2 Completely stock. Both times for both cars are extremes, and nowhere near the norm. But, that is good enough for me as a realist to see what each car is capable of. Once you start modding, the gloves come off and then it is a game of who's got the most money. Just because someone raced a friends car and one a few, lost a few, it doesn't mean your car or his car is faster. Just means you beat that guy right then and there, and chances are, have not replicated that same outcome on multiple cars.

Every car runs different, every driver is different. I would NEVER claim victory over a car if I knew I beat the driver. Example: I ran a Intake/Tune/Exhaust C6Z in my Pullied Cobra with Bolt-ons and a ton of suspension work. We were dead even. Did I beat the car? Yes, but, I beat the car with a poor driver. Had that guy known what he was doing behind the wheel, I would have been beaten no matter how good of a driver I was. Especially when I knew the car and driver somewhat well, and he was pulling high 10's @ 128-130 at the same I was pulling worse times. There is a solid 8-10 MPH difference and nearly a full second difference between cars.

The 12.2 time for the 5.0 is B.S. since it was done at the Cecil downhill track. I don't know where the SS ran a 12.5 but if that was done at Cecil it is also a BS time.

Originally Posted by 07-SRT

I have friends that have both....stock auto vs auto is a drivers race between L99 and R/T...

It's funny how fan boys of certain brands and cars always claim a "drivers race" when their partial brand or car is the slower one. If their partial brand or car is the faster one it's no longer a drivers race, its a faster car. Camaro owners on this site do it all the time as well and it urks me just as much. The L99 is faster than the 5.7 RT. PERIOD. Even if you were to use the cop out drivers race term at least use it for cars that are within .2 tenths of each other. The 5.7 R/T is a good .3-.5 tenths slower than a L99 when ALL other variables are equal. By that analogy a LS3 SS is a drivers race to a 392 SRT8. See what I did there. People really need to stop using that term. This is the order of MY 2014 pony/muscle cars in terms of acceleration when stock. GT500>ZL1>SRT8>5.0GT>SSLS3>SSL99>5.7RT. It's not the cars fault if the operator doesn't drive it to its fullest potential. THAT'S THE TRUTH. END THREAD.

[rontammy0]

Originally Posted by Bad70supreme

Rt is not a drivers race for a l99 by any means. I don't care what anyone says, I seen more then enough of these cars at the track and raced plenty of them. 13.1-6 from a l99 is pretty commen, RTs all I ever see is 14 sec passes! Who really cares this much anyway, who races a stock car!!!

Ya 5.0s on avg seem a bit faster, so what! Mod you sh$t and go whoop that a$$.

I test drove am R/T ..imo there is no way it pulls harder then my l99...i agree

[HeaterMan]

truthfully it doesn't really matter what car is faster because each and every one of us bought the car that we liked the most. they are all 3 priced very closely in mid $30,000 range. they all have their strong points and weak points. frankly I am thrilled to be able to participate in the second coming of the major manufacturers muscle car HP wars. I was just a kid in the 70's and wasn't even aware of muscle cars back then. someday people will look back on this time and say.. remember when.....

[rontammy0]

Originally Posted by HeaterMan

truthfully it doesn't really matter what car is faster because each and every one of us bought the car that we liked the most. they are all 3 priced very closely in mid $30,000 range. they all have their strong points and weak points. frankly I am thrilled to be able to participate in the second coming of the major manufacturers muscle car HP wars. I was just a kid in the 70's and wasn't even aware of muscle cars back then. someday people will look back on this time and say.. remember when.....

Now you stop making sense this minute........

[Beef Cake]

Originally Posted by 07-SRT

I have friends that have both....stock auto vs auto is a drivers race between L99 and R/T...

Originally Posted by HeaterMan

truthfully it doesn't really matter what car is faster because each and every one of us bought the car that we liked the most. they are all 3 priced very closely in mid $30,000 range. they all have their strong points and weak points. frankly I am thrilled to be able to participate in the second coming of the major manufacturers muscle car HP wars. I was just a kid in the 70's and wasn't even aware of muscle cars back then. someday people will look back on this time and say.. remember when.....

Why do you think were annoyed? We bought the car we wanted. We all could have had 5.0's. And we still have to listen to you 5.0 trolls on CAMARO5. 95% of the SS on this site are modded. But for some reason everyday I have to be reminded the 5.0 is faster STOCK. Everyday.

[OneSlowV]

Originally Posted by VADER SS L99

The 12.2 time for the 5.0 is B.S. since it was done at the Cecil downhill track. I don't know where the SS ran a 12.5 but if that was done at Cecil it is also a BS time.
It's funny how fan boys of certain brands and cars always claim a "drivers race" when their partial brand or car is the slower one. If their partial brand or car is the faster one it's no longer a drivers race, its a faster car. Camaro owners on this site do it all the time as well and it urks me just as much. The L99 is faster than the 5.7 RT. PERIOD. Even if you were to use the cop out drivers race term at least use it for cars that are within .2 tenths of each other. The 5.7 R/T is a good .3-.5 tenths slower than a L99 when ALL other variables are equal. By that analogy a LS3 SS is a drivers race to a 392 SRT8. See what I did there. People really need to stop using that term. This is the order of MY 2014 pony/muscle cars in terms of acceleration when stock. GT500>ZL1>SRT8>5.0GT>SSLS3>SSL99>5.7RT. It's not the cars fault if the operator doesn't drive it to its fullest potential. THAT'S THE TRUTH. END THREAD.

I agree with everything you said. Iv'e never lost to any RT but i have buddies that have lol.