06-09-2009, 08:49 AM | #43 | |
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I think a lot of frustration could have been saved with just a better way to track pre-orders. Ok yeah it pissed me off the order cars are being produced as I'm sure it pissed off others, but I think a LOT would have been mitigated by having a way for customers to get SOME information on their order online using their order number instead of having to deal with dealers, who in some cases are good and some cases are worthless. I just hate having to rely on other people for something so trivial. IMO that could have saved a lot of headaches... HOWEVER it could also generate a lot of phonecalls which I'm sure Scott will mention because when more people can easily see where their car is they will probably question it more. Its a lose-lose really....
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Scott's time spent on educating us and fixing problems (behind the scenes) could have been cut in half if GM had a simple requirement for dealers to disclose a few facts before taking a customers order back in September:
1. Dealer has the right to ask whatever they want for the vehicle. 2. Dealer has the right to ask for additional funds on any pre-order once the car arrives or cancel the agreement if you do not agree. 3. Pre-ordering does not mean your car will be built before the individual who orders a car in April. When you ordered has no bearing on when the car is built. When your car is built is determined by what priority your order is set at within the dealers earned allocation. 4. Individuals will be able to buy a car off a lot in April from any dealer not participating in the pre-order activity as these dealers allocations will still be included in the prioritization of builds. 5. Signing a contract and getting an production order number is no guarantee that GM will build your car. If your dealer has sold all of it's allocation before taking your order, your car will not be built until your dealer earns additional allocation.
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EDIT: I was referring to Guthdawg when I said "ordered in November" I see now he ordered in February. (But it still sucks, he's at 1100 and I'm at 3400)
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06-09-2009, 11:47 AM | #46 |
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Yes....I'm still at 1100. So I know first hand what you are saying ! I'm EXTREMLY fustrated at this whole process. I don't understand why I'm still at 1100. My dealership has contacted several people higher-up and he's still not getting any answers why. I'm happy for my fellow co-owners of a beautiful car; but STILL sitting at 1100 earks me ! |
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06-09-2009, 12:09 PM | #48 |
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Yes I need to do something because an R6P order still sitting at 1100 doesn't make any since to me. None what so ever.
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06-09-2009, 12:14 PM | #49 |
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Guthdawg, this is all on your dealer. He should be able to give you some time estimate as to when he'll receive allocation. How many of they gotten so far each month? How many people are ahead of you? As of last week, 1/3rd of all preorders were still at 1100 so you're not alone.
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Hylton, I like you and respect your opinion but I had to respond to this, please don't take it personally.
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Its unfortunate that GM cannot penalize dealers more for shady or crappy business practices. GM is caught in a tough spot beciause they want as many pre-orders as possible, and they don't want people to say "eh i wont bother I'll just get one off the lot". In the end though GM in offering preorders has a responsibility to the dealers to get bodies into showrooms. They are also very limited in how they can discuss business procedures, in the end its not their call (aside from some parts). Preordering works the same way with any consumer product. Its just that cars are large and expensive enough and take long enough to produce that the issues are very pronounced. For example I work for Canon and if a hot new camera is coming out Best Buy or places like that can offer pre-orders of them. They may only get 20 cameras in their first shipment to a store which could all be pre-ordered and sold, or not, but another store can say sorry we don't do that and just sell them off the floor. SO if youre the 21st pre-order at store A and they sold their 20 youre SOL till they get more. Its the same way with this car, but the difference is Best Buy will likely get 20 more cameras tomorrow, Cars just arent so simple, but thats how it works fo consumer products. I don't like it either, but in the end as pissed as I was at waiting, my only true complaint was that you can't get any tracking info easily. That is where GM really dropped the ball, and had a good opportunity for some good faith with the customer.
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All is good and your points are well taken. Yes some things are obvious but many are first time buyers and don't know squat. In Canada, we have mixed laws where some provinces can ask more than MSRP and others can't. My points were generally speaking about educating the consumer (communication) rather than doing anything about the issues.
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06-09-2009, 11:35 PM | #53 |
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So I should check with my local dealer and see if they have any allocations left for the Camaro before I order. If not, I should go down the road to the next one and check with them? The way I'm reading about the dealership allocations is, that if they have got their share it may be a while before they get more even if they special order them?
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I have two questions: Two dealers called me yesterday. I can finally order my Summit white Camaro today from a dealer who does not have an allocation at this time. He tells me has no customers ahead of me if I order today (his only 3 orders/allocations were just accepted by G.M.). He wants $1000.000 deposit. Another dealer called and advised they have one open allocation (no customer) but they want $2500.00 deposit. Both these dealers claim they are safe from closing. My two questions are: Which dealer do you think will get me my car the fastest, and is there any way to confirm if a dealer is or is not closing ? $1,000.00 I can live with but $2500.00 is a lot of money to possibly lose. Any thoughts ?
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