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And it wasn't that hard to get one. You just had to check the block. This is a failed attempt to get the z/28 to be considered the top dog. It was Chevy's top dog on the road racing series called Trans Am where they were great, but it wouldn't hold up to the big blocks that were properly prepped to go against the Hemis of the day. There were the ZL1's and the iron-headed 427's known as COPO cars today. Yes, they were harder to order and not everyone could afford the extra cash, but they were able to be found. You didn't see Nickey, Yenko, Bill Thomas and Motion building small-block Supercars(but they would build what you were wanting) back in the 60's(yes, Yenko built a LT1 350-powered Nova in the early 70's but he claimed his 427 powered Nova as the one he probably shouldn't have released for street duty it was that nasty). Give it a rest.
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09-25-2011, 09:15 AM | #16 | |
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Z's were king on the windy's but not at the strip.
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09-25-2011, 01:34 PM | #18 |
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'69 SS/RS 396
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09-25-2011, 01:50 PM | #19 |
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Clyde the Z28 guys fully get it.
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09-25-2011, 02:12 PM | #20 | |
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And there were more ads than the one you posted from back in the day. http://www.firstgencamaro.com/vintageads.html
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Amen brother!! I should have known better than to post something that would get the non-Z/28 guys riled up! I truly just wanted to highlight that Chevy seemed to say that they thought the Z/28 was top dog......oh well, back to the salt mine to earn enough to pay for that proper Z/28 when Chevrolet decides to release another one.
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09-25-2011, 08:09 PM | #22 |
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First Gen Camaro street racing pecking order:
1. 427 ZL1 (430 hp *) 2. 427 L72 (425 hp) 3. 396 L89 (375 hp Aluminum Heads *) 4. 396 L78 (375 hp *) 5. 396 L43 (350 hp) 6. 302 Z28 (290 hp *) 7. 396 L35 (325 hp) 8. 350 L48 (295-300 hp) 9. 327 L30 (275 hp) * = underrated but close to what the engines would be rated today All of the other numbers are optimistic by today's ratings. The Z28 was the master at the curved track with a better suspension and balance than the big blocks. You could also buy the Z28 with a dual quad setup and long tubes in the trunk as I recall that would move the Z28 up the list once installed. Maybe on a par with the L78 and L89. But all the power was up top. Good driver mod needed. Edit: Oops forgot about the Z28 "Off Road Cam" in the trunk as well.
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Some, like me, have memories from back in the day....others have dreams. I know what my Z/28 did back in the early 70's. It wasn't the fastest car at the strip, but it would hang pretty good with just about anything that was in non-modified condition. And that is the truth from this driver.
The biggest advantage that I found in the ole 302 was the fact that it could be driven to the track and raced...and do it consistently week after week. Most other 'factory stock' cars were in need of prep work before and in between races to keep them running consistently, or they just wouldn't perform as they should. I can still remember some 440 six pack guys just shaking their heads trying to get those carbs synched! |
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Not a "production" car..
But it WAS produced. A 1968 Camaro Z28 Convertible.... 1 of 1....
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I recall a Brock Yates Car and Driver piece, circa '70, about a Ford-supplied "road tester" Boss 302 Yates "evaluated"...at Lime Rock Park (IIRC)...in an authentic race!
The Boss and the Z/28, while not exactly competiton-ready from the factories, were pretty decent material to work from... As fabled as the COPO and Big Block cars may be, I don't recall anyone being "competitive" in sanctioned racing with one of those without some very serious "engineering" and "parts thrashin'". Harrell's efforts with ZL1 #1 only gained prominence after the car become almost unrecognizable from "showroom stock appearance". Grumpy's, the same. Off the showroom floor, the Z/28 was a damn fine ride...doing anything. No "tricks" required... Ride? No worse than the BBs. Handling? They didn't call it the Hugger for nuthin'. Cost? Less than an SS - L78, with better mpgs and, initially, lower insurance rates. And it would run with/outrun any other juice-cammed Camaro...in any orientation, at any task. Look at all the "restified" Camaros sold this past weekend @ B-J Vegas. There's a reason more current '69 Camaros wear the Z/28 badge than any other performance "suit"...and that, folks, undeniably, is called HERITAGE. BTW, re-read the 396-325 hp description above..."boss". Oh really?! Hyperbole at its height... |
09-27-2011, 09:16 PM | #26 |
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Found some old stats, pretty close and notice the Z28's 1/4 MPH.
The 1967 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 Specifications Wheelbase, inches: 108.1 Weight, lbs: 3,500 Number built: 602 Base price: $3,500 Standard Engine Type: ohv V-8 Displacement, cid: 302 Fuel system: 1 x 4bbl. Compression ratio: 11.0:1 Horsepower @ rpm: 290 @ 5800 Torque @ rpm: 290 @ 4200 Representative Performance 0-60 mph, sec: 6.9 1/4 mile, sec. @ mph: 14.85 @ 101 The 1967 Chevrolet Camaro SS 396 Specifications Wheelbase, inches: 108.1 Weight, lbs: 3,720 Number built: NA Base price: $3,046 Top Available Engine Type: ohv V-8 Displacement, cid: 396 Fuel system: 1 x 4bbl. Compression ratio: 11.0:1 Horsepower @ rpm: 375 @ 5600 Torque @ rpm: 415 @ 3600 Representative Performance 0-60 mph, sec: 6.5 1/4 mile, sec. @ mph: 14.5 @ 99 |
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AT 60 yrs. old now , back then , 396 w/ 375 heads was top dog,and if you had cam, headers, w/411 rear end. thats was camaro. they were lighter too. not 4100 lbs.
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