06-12-2011, 11:30 AM | #113 | |
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06-12-2011, 11:39 AM | #114 |
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whoops ... I didn't mean to say 'in the 12s'. I probably had 'sub 12 second' written at one point, then when I changed it I forgot to switch that one part
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06-12-2011, 12:00 PM | #115 |
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Don'tcha just luv it when the Big 3 compete against each other for our satisfaction? They get all the headaches and we get .............................ALL THE POWER!!!!
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06-12-2011, 12:07 PM | #116 |
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I would like to see an option like the 69 zl1 where it is bare with no radio or anything that, just you and the car and that sweet engine and exhaust sound
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06-12-2011, 12:09 PM | #117 |
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And that would never happen!!
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06-12-2011, 12:16 PM | #118 |
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When it comes to a warranty - edelbrock's supercharger for the regular 5.0 GT offers one and it's for the powertrain not the s/c. $900 option. So a brembo equipped GT that tied the m3 at the track (willow springs) and bested it in the 1/4 mike - means a 550-600 HP GT, with warranty for $40k. Hard to beat that stick with a snake and it's available now.
Zl1 will be a great car but expect egregious dealer mark- ups, same as when the gt500 first popped on the scene. Dealers adding +$20-$30k to the car. In that senario, z06 all the way - better car IMO. Zl1 over 50k is going to be a non-starter. Plus, the gt500 will get a HP boost on a car that's not a 1st year run. Btw, there is nothing wrong with s/c an SS. Even if you split the block a crate engine replacement - your still ahead of the game. |
06-12-2011, 12:19 PM | #119 |
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Based on what my CTS-V did stock, the Zr1 should have no problems hitting mid to high 11s with an auto. Hopefully they can keep the weight below 4000 lbs.
I am willing to bet the higher than 550hp number will probably come from a better flowing exhaust than what is on the cts-v. I just don't see them changing anything in the motor just to put it in the zl1. Changing from the puny 2inch to a 3 inch exhaust and a set of mufflers on my V gave me another 25rwhp. I would say they will rate hp at 575hp. I seriously doubt they will go as high as 600hp stock
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06-12-2011, 12:30 PM | #120 | |
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In America; Paid that for an SS with GFX, stripes, RS in Canada and I got a deal only paid $2k more than dealer cost.
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06-12-2011, 12:49 PM | #122 |
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Unless GM made a statement regarding production numbers since the Chicago introduction, production is NOT limited. Al O. (I believe it was) was quite clear about that. As far as the mark-up goes, I believe there is at least a couple dealer Sponsors here (I believe one, in fact, was posted in this thread) might or will sell at sticker. This is an uber special model though, so I would expect a premium for the first year.
I'm still thinking close to 580 horse'. We know LSA gets many different features in ZL1. New steel manifolds, upper plenum, EPS, dual-mode exhaust and who knows what else GM's got in store. While I don't expect a significant improvement in power from the manifolds, the dual-mode exhaust on base 'Vettes used to net 6 horsepower. I be EPS can add probably near that, and that cool new plenum may be a little more efficient, due to what appears to me, to be a smoother transition of air flow from the intercooler, up to the roof of the plenum where instead of being pushed down, the flow of the "V" perhaps turns the pressurized air toward the intake runners; I'm thinking a little higher efficiency, in that way, might be a possibiliy. I would still like to see a 2300 from the factory, though, in ZL1. Besides the obvious validation and certifications, the biggest hang-up that I can see is the inlet position. The upper plenums between LS9 and LSA are interchangeable (if I remember correctly), and if the inlet can be engineered to work with the OEM air box, that doesn't seem like too big a deal to pull off. That 2300 would hardly have to sweat to push even closer to 600 horse' in ZL1. That's a lot to ask, though, I suppose. I'm still very excited at the new information. To astound me, sub 4-second 0-60s and 12-second 1320' times would be necessary, stock. The more we hear, the more that seems to be a real possibility
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06-12-2011, 12:58 PM | #123 |
I obviously can't speak for any other SS owners, but there was no way I could have waited another 3 years to get into a Camaro. Will I end up spending as much, or more, on mods to get my car to ZL1 levels? Maybe, but like I said, at least I'm driving one now and not sitting on the couch with my fingers crossed waiting for the day a ZL1 shows up at the doorstep.
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06-12-2011, 01:00 PM | #124 |
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Well all of this talk about the ZL1 is sweet, but alas, the Z28 is getting pushed out further and further to not even be produced, until maybe the 6th Gen........so sad
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06-12-2011, 01:06 PM | #125 |
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This is great news, now what we need is some pricing info. That is the next step in me making a decision. I told my dad about the auto option (hes a car lover too and where I got it from). He wants me to keep building my SS, I'm about 50-50 right now.
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06-12-2011, 01:09 PM | #126 | |
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The 1990 and 1991 ZR1s were also somewhat limited in production (availability of the Mercury Marine engine was a limiting factor along with the price, of course) with just over 3000 being produced in 1990 and just over 2000 being produced in 1991. I don't believe that the availability and pricing of the 2012 ZL1 will be analogous to the 1987 GNX or the 1990 and 1991 ZR1's, as it has been stated that the ZL1 will not be a limited production vehicle. The ZL1 will have a two quarter (half year) production run for the 2012 model year. Then, of course, the ZL1 will have a full year production run in 2013, and thereafter. I believe that individuals will be able to obtain 2012 ZL1's at MSRP with a little diligence (finding a dealer that sells at MSRP) and a little patience. I think it's great that those of us who want a ZL1 will be able to purchase one, and those who want an SS and modify the hell out of it (or not) can do so. |
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