[FastCarFanBoy]

Originally Posted by TEEZYSS

VMP 12.3@116
BEEFCAKE 12.3@115
CARLYLE RACING 12.3@115
A few FB guys 12.48@115
LETHAL 12.2@116
LUND 12.0@118

And they were all on tire minus the FB guys.

Wrong
Lund 12.0@118 bone stock
LMR 12.0@117 bone stock
Ecobeast 12.1x@119 bone stock
Evan Smith 11.84@119 bone stock

[TEEZYSS]

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

Wrong

Lund 12.0@118 bone stock thats what I said.. where is the 11.8??? 1.87 60ft..where is the 1/8 mph?? 93.... NEGATIVE DA..... WHAT NOW!!

LMR 12.0@117 bone stock again where is the 11.8??? where that 95 mph 1/8???? 1.90 60ft and negative DA


Ecobeast 12.1x@119 bone stock where is the 11.8?? 1.93 60ft...-1300 da...93 mph 1/8


Evan Smith 11.84@119 bone stock 1.88 60ft..95 1/8 mph delivered from Ford PR.

Your pointing out all my points!! You can clearly see the pattern of all the other 18's that have run. No crazy gap between them.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by Evan J. Smith

Good afternoon everyone, this is my first post and I came on here to clear the air. First and foremost, anything I write, post, or publish is based on fact. I test cars and share the results. I have done this for over 20 years. My background is drag racing—I've been going down the strip since I'm 17 and have raced NHRA Stock Eliminator since 1994.

While I spent most of my time working for Muscle Mustangs and Fast Fords magazine, I've tested other brands of vehicles, too. Frankly, I love cars so it doesn't matter to me whether I'm behind the wheel of a Camaro, Mustang, Vette, Viper or whatever, I give it my all to get the best possible elapsed time. Sometimes I find excellent track conditions, sometimes it's 95 degrees out there.

In this case, I ran a fully loaded 2018 Performance Pack GT and I did so without so much as removing a floor mat. The weather hovered just above sea level, front tire pressure was raised to 45 psi, rear TP was between 26-28 depending on what run I made. Engine temp was between 160 and 185. I provided video and reported my every move in a story published here:

http://www.mustangandfords.com/how-t...18-mustang-gt/

I did in fact spend mostly all day testing the car in stock trim. Why? I tested launch rpm and the car required a minimum of 30 minutes of cool down for it to maintain peak performance. I also spent time doing photos, including a few magazine cover-style burnout shots, which required setup time.

Here's a few facts: Ford test cars do not come directly from Ford. They are maintained and delivered by a service that deals with the media. Next, was the car a ringer? Some may say yes, but I say no. We all know about tuning, and the folks in the PR department don't have access to "tunes" created just for the media. This is not 1970, where the manufacturer sends a "tuning guru" to the track with the car.

Well, that's about it. I'd be glad to field any questions.

Evan

Thank you for clearing alll this up. How about setting up a little grudge match between the two.

[L99BEN]

It's funny but (some on here and 6g...) people seem to think the car that's a 10th or two/1-2 mph quicker in a straight line is the better car...

It's subjective but i like the way the 6gen SS feels and drives much more than the s550 GT. If I didn't I wouldn't have traded my 15' GT for one.
There's a reason we've rarely seen Gen 6 owners trade for s550 mustang gt's.

[GossipSquirrelJelena]

Originally Posted by TEEZYSS

Your pointing out all my points!! You can clearly see the pattern of all the other 18's that have run. No crazy gap between them.

So what exactly are you saying. That Evans a liar? Or you believe the car is a ringer and a processional racer wouldn't know it?

[Steph93lx]

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

Wrong
Lund 12.0@118 bone stock
LMR 12.0@117 bone stock
Ecobeast 12.1x@119 bone stock
Evan Smith 11.84@119 bone stock

I Will add this

Only Evan Smith and ecobeast use the drag mode.

[FastCarFanBoy]

Originally Posted by TEEZYSS

Your pointing out all my points!! You can clearly see the pattern of all the other 18's that have run. No crazy gap between them.

LOL did you go to Trump University? Just gonna throw out random nonsense and omit facts when you make false statements?

[big hammer]

11.7for the old stock camero is pretty wicked hard to believe ford knew the benchmark and missed it wow

[TEEZYSS]

Originally Posted by GossipSquirrelJelena

So what exactly are you saying. That Evans a liar? Or you believe the car is a ringer and a processional racer wouldn't know it?

I think Evan is a driver and editor. I didn't think he needs to lye about anything but that also doesn't mean he knows if the car has been tweaked here or there from ford before he got. Again its about marketing the new car

I think that its odd that ford made claims about the car that only this car and this car alone has met. A car the FORD PR sent to the editor of MMFF. I think it is interesting that every other 18 that has been tested by other shops whether it be on a drag radial , modded and/or with weight reduction or in some cases all 3 hasn't been either the same 60ft on street tires but more importantly the 1/8 mile et/mph.

Seems odd that lighter cars that have equaled or bettered his 60ft in NEGATIVE DA cant get the same 1/8 mph or ET. Cars that laid down 420-430whp before lighter wheels were added to his 20's.


The problem here is that everyone wants to make this ford vs chevy. It doesn't bother me what the 2018 GT runs. I don't hate ford or the mustang. You don't own 8 of them if you did. But when you watch the patterns of cars and what they do.....then one stands way out compared to others. Then you look a little closer.

You could say 60ft!!!! because PRO DRIVER!!! Ok well drag pack cars have met his 60ft...Where is the 11.84?

You could say good DA for the mph in the 1/4... ok well positive 400 verse negative -600 to -1300.. guess DA means nothing?

But what do you say when everyone is trapping 92-94 mph in the 1/8 on lighter wheels and tires in negative DA and 60ft'ing what he did???

Tell me how his driving skills in a A10 bettered all the other shop cars and other cars tested in a heavier car on 20's???

Is it really to much to think that FORD did some tweaking...trans tuning or torque management adjustments before the car made is MAG appearance.


I'm not taking away from EVAN or his driving skills. Just saying everyone else is on par....vmp's 18 GT was at the same deal and their car modded didn't run the times.

[islander033]

Originally Posted by big hammer

11.7for the old stock camero is pretty wicked hard to believe ford knew the benchmark and missed it wow

They prolly did the best they could with what they had to work with.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Evan J. Smith

Good afternoon everyone, this is my first post and I came on here to clear the air. First and foremost, anything I write, post, or publish is based on fact. I test cars and share the results. I have done this for over 20 years. My background is drag racing—I've been going down the strip since I'm 17 and have raced NHRA Stock Eliminator since 1994.

While I spent most of my time working for Muscle Mustangs and Fast Fords magazine, I've tested other brands of vehicles, too. Frankly, I love cars so it doesn't matter to me whether I'm behind the wheel of a Camaro, Mustang, Vette, Viper or whatever, I give it my all to get the best possible elapsed time. Sometimes I find excellent track conditions, sometimes it's 95 degrees out there.

In this case, I ran a fully loaded 2018 Performance Pack GT and I did so without so much as removing a floor mat. The weather hovered just above sea level, front tire pressure was raised to 45 psi, rear TP was between 26-28 depending on what run I made. Engine temp was between 160 and 185. I provided video and reported my every move in a story published here:

http://www.mustangandfords.com/how-t...18-mustang-gt/

I did in fact spend mostly all day testing the car in stock trim. Why? I tested launch rpm and the car required a minimum of 30 minutes of cool down for it to maintain peak performance. I also spent time doing photos, including a few magazine cover-style burnout shots, which required setup time.

Here's a few facts: Ford test cars do not come directly from Ford. They are maintained and delivered by a service that deals with the media. Next, was the car a ringer? Some may say yes, but I say no. We all know about tuning, and the folks in the PR department don't have access to "tunes" created just for the media. This is not 1970, where the manufacturer sends a "tuning guru" to the track with the car.

Well, that's about it. I'd be glad to field any questions.

Evan

With all due respect, I'm skeptical as hell when it comes to just about everything. I learned to be skeptical from reading MM&FF magazines and all the very highly improbable stuff I saw in that mag. And I will just say, anyone can make a profile on here with your name and write stuff. But putting that aside, if you are who you say you are, then you would have to admit that it seems a bit suspect that you did that much better than other pro-level shops and tuners, some of whom were on a tire and another who had a tune only. And you have to admit that people lie about performance all the time. I could write a book. All of this seems like a grand marketing plot by Ford. If it is then kudos to them for thinking this idea up first. I bet we'll see more and more of this in the future. But, we all know that the point of marketing is to sell stuff even if it means stretching the truth or even lying. MM&FF, their job is to sell magazines. And "2018 GT does 11.8 in the quarter mile bone stock" is a hell of a headline and will sell a hell of a lot of mags. So I think all of our criticisms and skepticisms are justified. Especially since Ford seems to have made it a point to get these cars in the hands of tuners and testers first and those tuners/testers went straight to the track with them. Again, all of this is very odd.

All in all, I highly doubt the GT will beat the SS in a H2H. And I highly doubt that your runs will be duplicated. And even if the run is legit then when talking absolute capability they both are tied from what I see with the SS having the advantage. If the GT manages a win then it still won't really matter nor will it upset any of us in the slightest. Especially since it took a mid-Generation extreme makeover like we've never seen Ford do before just to become competitive. If Ford was really that great then all of this we're seeing the GT doing now should have been done in December of 2014 for the 2015 MY launch of the S550.

[big hammer]

Originally Posted by TEEZYSS

I think Evan is a driver and editor. I didn't think he needs to lye about anything but that also doesn't mean he knows if the car has been tweaked here or there from ford before he got. Again its about marketing the new car

I think that its odd that ford made claims about the car that only this car and this car alone has met. A car the FORD PR sent to the editor of MMFF. I think it is interesting that every other 18 that has been tested by other shops whether it be on a drag radial , modded and/or with weight reduction or in some cases all 3 hasn't been either the same 60ft on street tires but more importantly the 1/8 mile et/mph.

Seems odd that lighter cars that have equaled or bettered his 60ft in NEGATIVE DA cant get the same 1/8 mph or ET. Cars that laid down 420-430whp before lighter wheels were added to his 20's.


The problem here is that everyone wants to make this ford vs chevy. It doesn't bother me what the 2018 GT runs. I don't hate ford or the mustang. You don't own 8 of them if you did. But when you watch the patterns of cars and what they do.....then one stands way out compared to others. Then you look a little closer.

You could say 60ft!!!! because PRO DRIVER!!! Ok well drag pack cars have met his 60ft...Where is the 11.84?

You could say good DA for the mph in the 1/4... ok well positive 400 verse negative -600 to -1300.. guess DA means nothing?

But what do you say when everyone is trapping 92-94 mph in the 1/8 on lighter wheels and tires in negative DA and 60ft'ing what he did???

Tell me how his driving skills in a A10 bettered all the other shop cars and other cars tested in a heavier car on 20's???

Is it really to much to think that FORD did some tweaking...trans tuning or torque management adjustments before the car made is MAG appearance.


I'm not taking away from EVAN or his driving skills. Just saying everyone else is on par....vmp's 18 GT was at the same deal and their car modded didn't run the times.

Because of the 5.0's feminine powerband, a sticky tire and a stock auto can make a 60' worse. Controlled wheel spin can make it better, although very inconsistent and hard to replicate the best pass. In that situation you "may" get a poorer 60' with a DR although it will be much more consistent. The lt1 is a little different as it has gobs of low end power and can utilize the traction of a drag radial with a stock converter

[TEEZYSS]

Originally Posted by Steph93lx

I Will add this

Only Evan Smith and ecobeast use the drag mode.

If Ecoboost used drag mode where is his 11.8 in negative DA?? Why did his car on trap 93 in the 1/8???

[TEEZYSS]

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

LOL did you go to Trump University? Just gonna throw out random nonsense and omit facts when you make false statements?

Cool story bro!