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steel insane · 10-17-2013, 08:51 PM

.. about the Z/28 not being a daily driver?

Granted, it doesn't have the creature comforts, etc. but is there a more serious reason why Chevy has stated this?

I can see this car as the weekend warrior, breaking it out on nice days, etc. even for those of us that don't have track related aspirations.

shank0668 · 10-17-2013, 09:12 PM

Tires are expensive. Brakes are expensive. But it'll drive a little harsh but more than fine for DD

90503 · 10-17-2013, 09:12 PM

How livable is this car on the road…not racing?

If you’ve ever driven a car like the Porsche 911 or something like that, it has a very athletic feel. The spring rates are higher, the ride frequencies are higher, the car’s a lighter weight car, the gearbox is nice and short throws with the high-compression LS7…it’s a very athletic feeling Camaro. It’s very light and nimble.

Speaking of driving it every day, we did an eight-hour night ride where we drove 300 miles in one night. And the car is just a hoot to drive on the street.

This was from Mark Steilow interview....

IOMZL1 · 10-17-2013, 09:14 PM

Its probably similar to how people would daily drive a Vette but not a Viper. Most people would get annoyed by the car on a daily basis but some would not care. Also the tires would probably wear out quickly and are only great in dry warm weather. Not show stoppers but more than some want to deal with. With no AC, rougher ride, little noise insulation - these things depending on your drive and personality could be annoying. You know if they did not highlight this someone would be pissed off and complain but the hardcore enthusiasts know what the deal is and might not driving it daily.

danvillekidd · 10-17-2013, 09:15 PM

I just think that they think your average person expects a more comfortable ride and creature comforts these days, not that the Z/28 couldn't or shouldn't be driven as a DD.

2SSRS@Gen5diy · 10-17-2013, 09:48 PM

What do you mean no creature comforts? it has 4 tires and wheels 2 seats to sit in, power windows what more do you need?

DDoug · 10-17-2013, 09:53 PM

About the only thing I can think of is dry sump systems tend to take a long time to get the oil up to temperature. Designed to be driven track-hard and for additional cooling.

DDoug · 10-17-2013, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by 2SSRS@Gen5diy

What do you mean no creature comforts? it has 4 tires and wheels 2 seats to sit in, power windows what more do you need?

No, 4 seats.

Oh, and, power windows are lighter than crank, that's the only reason why.

True story, read it on the interwebs.

hee hee.

davidcroft · 10-18-2013, 05:47 AM

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Originally Posted by steel insane

.. about the Z/28 not being a daily driver?

Granted, it doesn't have the creature comforts, etc. but is there a more serious reason why Chevy has stated this?

I can see this car as the weekend warrior, breaking it out on nice days, etc. even for those of us that don't have track related aspirations.

Whoever daily drives it, I don't wanna hear about bitching about how damn expensive the tires are with a 0 treadwear rating and how expensive the Carbon Ceramic rotors and brake pads are. I know someone in Houston will buy one and try to daily drive it, then be in my service drive explaining how shitty it is of Chevrolet to make a cars tires and brakes wear out so fast and they want it warrantied.

radametz · 10-18-2013, 06:13 AM

The suspension is going to be extremely stiff and unforgiving on any kind of surface that's not smooth. I've hit a few bumps on the Parkway in my 1LE that have hurt...I can only imagine what they'd feel like in a Z/28.

And as everyone else said, tires and brakes are going to get expensive very quickly.

DRKS1D3 · 10-18-2013, 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by davidcroft

Whoever daily drives it, I don't wanna hear about bitching about how damn expensive the tires are with a 0 treadwear rating and how expensive the Carbon Ceramic rotors and brake pads are. I know someone in Houston will buy one and try to daily drive it, then be in my service drive explaining how shitty it is of Chevrolet to make a cars tires and brakes wear out so fast and they want it warrantied.

This! I hope whomever decides to DD this thing has deep pockets. It won't be cheap to operate on a daily basis.

Fish-man · 10-18-2013, 06:32 AM

Tire changes same time as oil changes. Not sure how long brake pads will last. If you can afford it, DD the heck out of it.

Mikamaro · 10-18-2013, 06:53 AM

To DD this car, one will have to swap wheels with something more streetable like the Zl1 or 1Le setup.
I would personally add more sidewall to the tires to help with the harsh road bumps...more like the SS setup.
You lose the look and some performance but who needs it to go to work.
You keep the good stuff for the track! Aarrrrrrr!!

Denis · 10-18-2013, 07:15 AM

this thing has more options than some other cars ive owned in recent history lol. so the creature comforts are there. its more going to be the cost to replace the track specific stuff like tires and brakes that'll add up and make you not wanna drive it every day.

granted you could always buy a set of normal tires and roll around on those and keep the R specs for the track days.

but lets be honest, someone that buys one of these probably has another car as well. so they could just choose to take the Z/28 to work one day if they choose to. but i definetly wouldnt own this as my only car.

10-17-2013, 08:51 PM	#1
steel insane Drives: 2012 2LT Black (Vengeance) Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: pa Posts: 637	Someone want to explain to me... .. about the Z/28 not being a daily driver? Granted, it doesn't have the creature comforts, etc. but is there a more serious reason why Chevy has stated this? I can see this car as the weekend warrior, breaking it out on nice days, etc. even for those of us that don't have track related aspirations.

10-17-2013, 09:14 PM	#4
IOMZL1 Drives: 2015 Z/28 \| 2017 Viper ACR Extreme Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Brownsburg Posts: 1,009	Its probably similar to how people would daily drive a Vette but not a Viper. Most people would get annoyed by the car on a daily basis but some would not care. Also the tires would probably wear out quickly and are only great in dry warm weather. Not show stoppers but more than some want to deal with. With no AC, rougher ride, little noise insulation - these things depending on your drive and personality could be annoying. You know if they did not highlight this someone would be pissed off and complain but the hardcore enthusiasts know what the deal is and might not driving it daily. __________________ dougshelbyengineering.com www.facebook.com/dougshelbyengineering www.instagram.com/dougshelbyengineering

10-18-2013, 06:13 AM	#10
radametz Drives: 2013 CRT 2SS/1LE; 2016 Colorado Z71 Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Edison, NJ Posts: 648 View My Garage	The suspension is going to be extremely stiff and unforgiving on any kind of surface that's not smooth. I've hit a few bumps on the Parkway in my 1LE that have hurt...I can only imagine what they'd feel like in a Z/28. And as everyone else said, tires and brakes are going to get expensive very quickly. __________________

10-18-2013, 06:53 AM	#13
Mikamaro MikeNoMaro Drives: A 2016 Challenger R/T M6 STP Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: America Posts: 2,375 View My Garage	To DD this car, one will have to swap wheels with something more streetable like the Zl1 or 1Le setup. I would personally add more sidewall to the tires to help with the harsh road bumps...more like the SS setup. You lose the look and some performance but who needs it to go to work. You keep the good stuff for the track! Aarrrrrrr!! __________________ Track Day Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/mrgoodman2000/videos Built #83817, Born January 18th, Christened June 11th 2010, Stolen October 3rd 2016. Last edited by Mikamaro; 10-18-2013 at 09:29 AM.

10-18-2013, 07:15 AM	#14
Denis Drives: 2010 SS Join Date: May 2012 Location: Yorktown Heights, NY Posts: 7,695 View My Garage	this thing has more options than some other cars ive owned in recent history lol. so the creature comforts are there. its more going to be the cost to replace the track specific stuff like tires and brakes that'll add up and make you not wanna drive it every day. granted you could always buy a set of normal tires and roll around on those and keep the R specs for the track days. but lets be honest, someone that buys one of these probably has another car as well. so they could just choose to take the Z/28 to work one day if they choose to. but i definetly wouldnt own this as my only car. __________________

10-17-2013, 09:12 PM	#2
shank0668 Drives: '14 LML/'06 LJ/'76 Trans Am Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 8,438 View My Garage	Tires are expensive. Brakes are expensive. But it'll drive a little harsh but more than fine for DD

10-17-2013, 09:12 PM	#3
90503 Drives: 2011 2SS/RS LS3 Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Torrance Posts: 14,416	How livable is this car on the road…not racing? If you’ve ever driven a car like the Porsche 911 or something like that, it has a very athletic feel. The spring rates are higher, the ride frequencies are higher, the car’s a lighter weight car, the gearbox is nice and short throws with the high-compression LS7…it’s a very athletic feeling Camaro. It’s very light and nimble. Speaking of driving it every day, we did an eight-hour night ride where we drove 300 miles in one night. And the car is just a hoot to drive on the street. This was from Mark Steilow interview....

10-17-2013, 09:15 PM	#5
danvillekidd 2013 ZL1 Drives: 2013 ZL1 m6 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Avondale AZ & Indy will always be home Posts: 870 View My Garage	I just think that they think your average person expects a more comfortable ride and creature comforts these days, not that the Z/28 couldn't or shouldn't be driven as a DD.

10-17-2013, 09:48 PM	#6
2SSRS@Gen5diy Drives: 2014 Z/28 #82+#192, 18ZLE 66Nova Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: By the lake in AZ Posts: 15,719 View My Garage	What do you mean no creature comforts? it has 4 tires and wheels 2 seats to sit in, power windows what more do you need?

10-17-2013, 09:53 PM	#7
DDoug Drives: '13 Inferno Orange ZL1 Convertible Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: The 313 Posts: 437	About the only thing I can think of is dry sump systems tend to take a long time to get the oil up to temperature. Designed to be driven track-hard and for additional cooling.

10-18-2013, 06:32 AM	#12
Fish-man Drives: too many to say! Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: S.E. Michigan Posts: 1,013	Tire changes same time as oil changes. Not sure how long brake pads will last. If you can afford it, DD the heck out of it.