z28 vs. Cts-v coupe????????

[GTAHVIT]

Originally Posted by DropTheGloves

Like I said before, performance wise, CTS-V. I highly doubt the Z/28 will have over 550hp. I see more around 450-500hp range at most.

Exterior and interior, it's your personal opinion.

If the Z/28 has around 500-550hp, then it will cost near 50-55k. I'd bet.

you might be surprised then...

[DropTheGloves]

Originally Posted by GTAHVIT

you might be surprised then...

Well, the reason why I doubt it, is because Chevy already has the ZR1. That is rated at what? 650hp? I seriously doubt that they would want to have a car close in hp.

I am sticking to the 450-500hp range. I would say probably 475hp just because it's in the middle.

[GTAHVIT]

Originally Posted by DropTheGloves

Well, the reason why I doubt it, is because Chevy already has the ZR1. That is rated at what? 650hp? I seriously doubt that they would want to have a car close in hp.

I am sticking to the 450-500hp range. I would say probably 475hp just because it's in the middle.

I can't fault your logic.

I'm just sayin....

[Black5thgen]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

But performance wise ... hmm. Depends how much they change the SS when making the Z28 and if the output from the LSA is the same as in the CTS-V. If GM goes cheap, the Z28 will be 4100 lbs with a 530 hp variant of the LSA with moderately better handling. If thats the case, it won't be as fast as the CTC-V (or CTS-V, or possibly the even the GT500)

Why would the Z28 be slower when even at 4100 lbs. it's still 100 lbs. lighter than the CTS-V?

I would imagine the Z28 would be faster in a straight line and maybe a road course but the CTC-V will be a much better car components and materials wise.

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by DropTheGloves

Well, the reason why I doubt it, is because Chevy already has the ZR1. That is rated at what? 650hp? I seriously doubt that they would want to have a car close in hp.

I am sticking to the 450-500hp range. I would say probably 475hp just because it's in the middle.

Originally Posted by a_Username

I'll actually agree with DropTheGloves on saying they probably won't make it perform better than the CTS-V, considering it shouldn't given the huge price difference. But I really have nothing to justify that statement considering I don't really have an example of two cars in the same situation as the Z/28 and CTS-V are going to be in.

Now that I think about... There are a couple of cars that fit that example lol. The most obvious being the LS3 in the Corvette and the Camaro. ( to myself for forgetting that...)

The CTS-V packs 556 hp compared to the ZR1's 638 hp. Plus the ZR1 is over $40,000 more than the CTS-V, mostly because of the fact the ZR1 is made for performance conditions. That approximate 100 HP difference, similar to difference of a V6 and V8 Camaro. Also the V8 LS3 is rated at 426 compared to the Vette 436 (Correct me If I'm wrong, I think it is that number.)... and they don't seem to have a problem competing with each other. Actually now that I think about it I see no reason for Chevrolet not to have a 530+ hp Z/28.

Basically I doubt the Z/28 will impose on the CTS-V/CTC-V's target market. The Cadillac is still a luxury oriented car, while the Z/28 will focus more on the performance side of the equation.

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by Black5thgen

Why would the Z28 be slower when even at 4100 lbs. it's still 100 lbs. lighter than the CTS-V?

I would imagine the Z28 would be faster in a straight line and maybe a road course but the CTC-V will be a much better car components and materials wise.

Because if they de-tune the engine and don't give it things like a kickass suspension or aggressive its not going to do 0-60 in under 4 seconds.

[Thrillz]

Originally Posted by david068513

I see the cts-v coupe will be coming out around the same time. What do you think will be the better car? They should be around the same price. Same motor and trans. Which car do you think will be better and why?

[benjj]

Originally Posted by DropTheGloves

Well, the reason why I doubt it, is because Chevy already has the ZR1. That is rated at what? 650hp? I seriously doubt that they would want to have a car close in hp.

I am sticking to the 450-500hp range. I would say probably 475hp just because it's in the middle.

i take it your estimating crank horsepower for the cars seeing as you said the zr1 has 650(638 actual). i just don't see chevy creating a gt500 fighting camaro with a 475 horsepower power plant. correct me if i'm wrong, but the current gt500 is rated near 540. with the gt500 getting reworked in the coming years i would venture to guess that the z/28 will be equipped with one of the higher end LSA or LS9 engines detuned accordingly. at the high end of your guess, strictly looking at horsepower, the z/28 would look like a dud on paper compared to the current gt500

also, camaros have shared many engines with the vette throughout the years, slightly detuned of course

[ironpeddler]

What Z28 lol? The Z28 that MIGHT come into production?? Yeah, those cars are sweet. Heck of alot more proof that GM is coming out with the CTS-V coupe than there is about them coming out with a Z28. I would think that GM has already made up their mind...coming out with a CTS-V coupe and not a Z28. Writing is on the wall. GM's board of "directors", "government dictators", (whatever you want to call them) cannot afford to come out with a Z28 and a CTS-V coupe, at least not for a while. People will just have a hard time accepting this fact.

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by ironpeddler

What Z28 lol? The Z28 that MIGHT come into production?? Yeah, those cars are sweet. Heck of alot more proof that GM is coming out with the CTS-V coupe than there is about them coming out with a Z28. I would think that GM has already made up their mind...coming out with a CTS-V coupe and not a Z28. Writing is on the wall. GM's board of "directors", "government dictators", (whatever you want to call them) cannot afford to come out with a Z28 and a CTS-V coupe, at least not for a while. People will just have a hard time accepting this fact.

... you're a buzzkill mayne.

[Vega]

You know honestly im starting to think it wouldnt be a big stretch for GM to put the LS9 in the new Z/28. I mean yeah they have always been on their high-horse about the Corvette being the best but dont forget they have offered Camaro's before with top of the line Corvette engines so we know it isnt unreasonable. Plus you know the Camaro's would be 10-20 less horsepower (just like the LS3s) and on top of that the Corvette would still be a hell of a lot lighter and be a more balanced car. Also if i were a big time GM executive thinking about this id say to myself "well hell aftermarket companies are just going to do it to our cars anyways so why not make it our own and let us put that staple in history instead of some aftermarket garage" And we've seen that before in the COPOs

[DGthe3]

The problem would be cost. Figure at least an extra $6k over the LSA. It would make it impossible to offer a Z28 for around 50 grand, 60 would be much more likely.

[Vega]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

The problem would be cost. Figure at least an extra $6k over the LSA. It would make it impossible to offer a Z28 for around 50 grand, 60 would be much more likely.

Hm, maybe, those are retail prices though i have no idea what the cost difference is to build either of the engines so i think thats what it would come down to, also they could try to balance the price by cutting other costly luxury options, i think they could probly keep it at $50k...what they should do though is give the customer free-reign on what they want since people are so torn between these three engines, say for $50k you can get either an LSA or LS7, then there could be the extra 1LE package for maybe $55k or $58k that includes the LS9, that'd be pretty awsome in my oppinion haha

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by Vega

Hm, maybe, those are retail prices though i have no idea what the cost difference is to build either of the engines so i think thats what it would come down to, also they could try to balance the price by cutting other costly luxury options, i think they could probly keep it at $50k...what they should do though is give the customer free-reign on what they want since people are so torn between these three engines, say for $50k you can get either an LSA or LS7, then there could be the extra 1LE package for maybe $55k or $58k that includes the LS9, that'd be pretty awsome in my oppinion haha

choice = expensive