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carbon8 · 06-17-2012, 06:15 PM

Yeah but he also has ported and polished heads

Asylum · 06-17-2012, 06:16 PM

Taken from http://boostzilla.com/store/allzilla/faq/supercharger

How much horsepower will a supercharger add to my engine?

Although some manufacturers claim a specific horsepower increase, superchargers actually add horsepower as a percentage gain (percentage of an atmosphere). After adjusting for thermal and mechanical energy transfer, if an efficient centrifugal supercharger is generating ~5.5-6.5 psi (just under 1/2 an atmosphere), you will see around a 35-50% gain in horsepower and 35-50% gain in torque at your non-supercharged maximum horsepower rpm. At higher boost levels, the heat generated by compressing air will produce diminishing returns as the boost is increased, although the use of intercooling or racing fuel can avoid this scenario of diminishing returns. Assuming the use of intercooling to run higher boost levels while maintaining reliability, a 50-70% increase can generally be achieved at around 7 psi on an engine with 11:1 compression running pump gas. The gains in horsepower and torque delivered by each BOOSTZILLA™ system can be found on the "Spec Page" for each kit within this site.

Turbo99 · 06-17-2012, 06:20 PM

Every link you have shown is 9-10psi not 6.5 and they are all running meth on top of 10psi

Asylum · 06-17-2012, 06:20 PM

Table math revisited.

Assuming 480RWHP... headers, cam, exhaust, tune...

(baseline of 370)

35% 648

40% 672

45% 696

50% 720.

So again, please explain to me why my
664 rwhp, is impossible?
Just trying to understand.. at least im arguing with numbers to work with...
and information...

nyny69 · 06-17-2012, 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Asylum

Basic napkin math
Target Number: 665 rwhp

370 - Baseline (370rwhp)
410 - Longtube Headers + Tune (40rwhp)
475 - Custom CompCamps Custom Grind 112LSA with 600+ lift. (65rwhp)
485 - Custom made exhaust via Spintech (10rwhp)

Now, From what I understand
a Supercharger can provide between 25 and 45% increased horsepower?

@ 25% of 485 thats 121.5
@ 45% of 485 thats 218.5

So..@ 25% = 606
So..@ 45% = 703

Please, ****ing explain this to me because now im actually frustrated becuase it seems logical, and plausible to me.
Yet for some reason we have people saying BS.

I've found numerous forums and posts including some on C5
stating its fairly common and expected from a Procharger unit.
Especially considering all of us in this bracket are around the
same horsepower.

Ok since you didn't provide an answer to my first question I'll try a second one.

Is this Calbert? Are you brothers? If not somethings wrong with that Canadian air. Another D1 Procharger thread. So at 10 Psi you'll make 1000 Hp just like Calbert. Do you 2 use the same shop. He has outrageous claims also.

Asylum · 06-17-2012, 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Turbo99

Every link you have shown is 9-10psi not 6.5 and they are all running meth on top of 10psi

The last link I provided was to a IPS build
and the '3rd' person that responded ... you can see the reply # on the right side of your screen..

The #3 poster.

Asylum · 06-17-2012, 06:26 PM

Heres what I find interesting..

NO one is correcting my napkin math..
Just talking..

Talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk.

BACK YOUR SHIT UP?

nyny69 , I know Chris on the forums, we both goto the same place for performance but beyond that no, I don't directly know the individual.

carbon8 · 06-17-2012, 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Asylum

The last link I provided was to a IPS build
and the '3rd' person that responded ... you can see the reply # on the right side of your screen..

The #3 poster.

If you go to post 10 he tells you he also has ported and polished heads. This means more then all his other mods put together.

Asylum · 06-17-2012, 06:29 PM

I'll respond when we can focus on the 'math' since that seems to be holding its ground pretty well..

nyny69 · 06-17-2012, 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Asylum

nyny69 , I know Chris on the forums, we both goto the same place for performance but beyond that no, I don't directly know the individual.

You see where I'm going with this right. You both have prochargers installed by the same shop with high hp numbers. I think SPI has a very friendly dyno.

BTW, why the hate for Jannetty.

Turbo99 · 06-17-2012, 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Asylum

The last link I provided was to a IPS build
and the '3rd' person that responded ... you can see the reply # on the right side of your screen..

The #3 poster.

So now just because someone posted it its true? WTF dude

Asylum · 06-17-2012, 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Turbo99

So now just because someone posted it its true? WTF dude

Ok so is the consensus then that there is no way I am capable of 665 rwhp, my napkin math is wrong (somewhere?) and the guys at booststill are out to lunch?

Headers with tune 40ish horsepower
Aggressive CAm often custom grind.... 60+ horsepower
Exhaust 10 horsepower

baseline 370.

Thats like 485ish rwhp..

35% - 50% is all based on temperature humiity **** it,

you guys can't argue the #'s so we default to splitting hairs.

Bunch of pathetic sore losers.

Get with the program, run the numbers, accept reality and move on.

Procharger all the ****ing way.

Turbo99 · 06-17-2012, 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Asylum

Ok so is the consensus then that there is no way I am capable of 665 rwhp, my napkin math is wrong (somewhere?) and the guys at booststill are out to lunch?

Headers with tune 40ish horsepower
Aggressive CAm often custom grind.... 60+ horsepower
Exhaust 10 horsepower

baseline 370.

Thats like 485ish rwhp..

35% - 50% is all based on temperature humiity **** it,

you guys can't argue the #'s so we default to splitting hairs.

Bunch of pathetic sore losers.

Get with the program, run the numbers, accept reality and move on.

Procharger all the ****ing way.

What does your car trap in the 1/4? Do you have a slip? That will tell you really the power of your car, which is about 570ish

Asylum · 06-17-2012, 06:45 PM

Can you please provide your 'math' on how you came to that conclusion.
I think you need to repeat gradeschool. Somewhere along the way you skipped out on math.

According to Boostzilla supercharger writeup its between 35 and 50% of your currently exhisting RWHP.

So
370 + 40 = 410
410 + 60 = 470
470 + 10 = 480
So 35% on top of 480 is just shy of 650
40% of 480 is just shy of 675

Stupid kid.

06-17-2012, 06:20 PM	#59
Turbo99 Drives: 08' F250 Diesel & 10' Camaro 2SS Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Gainesville,Fl Posts: 1,362 View My Garage	Every link you have shown is 9-10psi not 6.5 and they are all running meth on top of 10psi __________________ 08' F250 CCSB 6.4L Diesel White & Black, Blacked out, 580RWHP @ 55psi 13.21 @ 101mph 10' Camaro 2SS LS3 M6 White & Black, Blacked out, 684 RWHP & 633 FT.LBS @ 10psi 10.82@130mph TVS2300 ,Hendrix Street Slayer Twin Carbon Clutch, Dana 60 3.73, DSS 1400HP Axles,JRe cam & LaMotta Performance tuned,LPE Fuel, AI Super Chiller,MT ET Streets

06-17-2012, 06:15 PM	#57
carbon8 Drives: 2010 Camaro SS,2008 Hayabusa Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Yukon,Oklahoma Posts: 621	Yeah but he also has ported and polished heads

06-17-2012, 06:16 PM	#58
Asylum Account Suspended Drives: 2010 2SS RS Black on Black Manual 6 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Brampton Posts: 441	Taken from http://boostzilla.com/store/allzilla/faq/supercharger How much horsepower will a supercharger add to my engine? Although some manufacturers claim a specific horsepower increase, superchargers actually add horsepower as a percentage gain (percentage of an atmosphere). After adjusting for thermal and mechanical energy transfer, if an efficient centrifugal supercharger is generating ~5.5-6.5 psi (just under 1/2 an atmosphere), you will see around a 35-50% gain in horsepower and 35-50% gain in torque at your non-supercharged maximum horsepower rpm. At higher boost levels, the heat generated by compressing air will produce diminishing returns as the boost is increased, although the use of intercooling or racing fuel can avoid this scenario of diminishing returns. Assuming the use of intercooling to run higher boost levels while maintaining reliability, a 50-70% increase can generally be achieved at around 7 psi on an engine with 11:1 compression running pump gas. The gains in horsepower and torque delivered by each BOOSTZILLA™ system can be found on the "Spec Page" for each kit within this site.

06-17-2012, 06:26 PM	#63
Asylum Account Suspended Drives: 2010 2SS RS Black on Black Manual 6 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Brampton Posts: 441	Heres what I find interesting.. NO one is correcting my napkin math.. Just talking.. Talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk. BACK YOUR SHIT UP? nyny69 , I know Chris on the forums, we both goto the same place for performance but beyond that no, I don't directly know the individual.

06-17-2012, 06:29 PM	#65
Asylum Account Suspended Drives: 2010 2SS RS Black on Black Manual 6 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Brampton Posts: 441	I'll respond when we can focus on the 'math' since that seems to be holding its ground pretty well..

06-17-2012, 06:45 PM	#70
Asylum Account Suspended Drives: 2010 2SS RS Black on Black Manual 6 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Brampton Posts: 441	Can you please provide your 'math' on how you came to that conclusion. I think you need to repeat gradeschool. Somewhere along the way you skipped out on math. According to Boostzilla supercharger writeup its between 35 and 50% of your currently exhisting RWHP. So 370 + 40 = 410 410 + 60 = 470 470 + 10 = 480 So 35% on top of 480 is just shy of 650 40% of 480 is just shy of 675 Stupid kid.