04-24-2009, 12:39 AM | #351 |
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I feeling a WTF moment seeing tape weights stuck to a new Brembo caliper? To deaden unwanted harmonics/squeel? Did Mark Stielow(GM engineer responsible for 1LE SCCA package) come up with this?
http://www.lateral-g.net/bio/stielow/
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04-24-2009, 01:12 AM | #352 |
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04-24-2009, 01:13 AM | #353 |
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Wheels weights on the calipers def not a good luck. Engineering should have taken care of this issue. Hope this is corrected soon.
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04-24-2009, 01:47 AM | #354 |
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this is why i dont buy first year cars. Why do you think the 69 is the most popular classic model?
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04-24-2009, 02:06 AM | #355 | |
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Show me any other "high performance cars" that have this sort of quality engineering. One Porsche, Ferrari, M series Bimmer, just one. Why wasn't careful evaluation and validation done one, two or three years ago when the car was testing? |
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04-24-2009, 05:40 AM | #356 |
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Are these weights being added to cars on the assembly line right now? Has this problem been resolved?
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04-24-2009, 05:44 AM | #357 |
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I just wanted to point out, I checked my brembo's, and as far as I can tell, I DO NOT have weights. It was late in the evening so the lighting wasn't the best, I'll post up when I get a chance to check out for sure, and maybe get some pics.
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04-24-2009, 05:59 AM | #358 | |
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LOOK PEOPLE Other high-end, high performance cars DO use weighted brake caliper dampeners. Here is one that they use on a Porsche (notice the lead): http://www.design911.co.uk/fu/pt66_2...bration-shims/ Here is one that they use on Audi cars: That said, the only valid point to any complaining is that this is a band-aid type of dampener. My guess is that GM WILL NOT need to replace anybody's Brembo calipers, but will engineer a proper dampening plate similar to the way that Porsche and Audi (and many other "high-performance" cars) engineering has. At that point, you should be able to take your early production SS into your local Chevy dealership and they will install the properly engineered dampener. I would also be willing to bet that the later production SS Camaros will come with the same Brembo's except an internal dampener instead of the wheel weights. They just have to spool up a subcontractor to make the properly engineered dampener. .
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04-24-2009, 06:04 AM | #359 | |
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What makes everyone so sure they're going to fall off?
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04-24-2009, 06:18 AM | #360 |
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So what? You pay for the Premium Brakes they should not have weights sticking on top.
I would not accept delivery of a car that had that if it was myself. The calipers MUST be replaced free of cost IMO*. |
04-24-2009, 06:46 AM | #361 |
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Ok so GM realizes this issue late in the game... I'm sure considering we have seen the whole testing process there is probably a reason they didn't see this earlier, so the solutions:
A) Leave it as is. (This place would have screamed bloody murder) B) Delay the car again (world revolution would begin, camaro5ers would show up at Fbods door with pitchforks and torches) C) Come up with a perfectly workable solution that while it looks like shit is completely safe and does the job. (everyone gets their panties in a wad anyway) I am glad they went with C, and everyone needs to lighten up and realize that if it wasn't safe they wouldn't have released it, and the engineers that came up with it know a hell of a lot more than most of us. Also you have a warranty on this car so if there was a problem (which BTW the WORST possible problem would be they fall off and you get brake squeal BFD) it would be fixed under warranty! I know this reply and FirstLSK's (great post man) reply above will be completely ignored and the whining will continue anyway.
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04-24-2009, 06:48 AM | #362 |
I'm pretty sure they won't replace them. Their engineering team corrected the problem and moved on. Sub-contractor, brembo, will start making design changes according to GM specs and life goes on. I have never seen anything engineered flawlessly the first time around. If its a safety issue and they knew about it, then it wouldn't have even gotten to the customer yet.
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04-24-2009, 06:53 AM | #363 |
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They must replace them. Remember that's the banks car not yours unless you paid cash. I would only have to make one call to my Credit Union and it would get replaced.
Here is the letter that should of came with the car. Dr Customer. Your car has been fitted with a temporary set of counter balance weights on your front brake calipers. As soon as replacement calipers are available, you will be contacted and the dealer will swap out with the corrected part. ... That's what it should be. And it should be told to the customer before the keys are handed to them. You can in fact get a refund for the whole car if they refuse to fix them. The bank can get there money back. |
04-24-2009, 06:59 AM | #364 | |
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GM's response if they go "Gameover's" route. The brake calipers will not be replaced by GM or the dealer as they have been fixed at the factory up to standards. (or something of this nature) What we all would like to hear. Do to overwhelming concern with the current solution for deadening the brake squeals, GM will be offering to replace the calipers under warranty when they become available. or We understand everyone's concern with the quality of the lead placed on the breaks and how long they should last. Furthermore we understand they are not the only types of weights that exist on the market. Once a more aesthetic looking "break harmonics silencer" becomes available, we shall replace it for free for the newer models which will come standard in the 2010 Camaro. Either one of these types of responses by GM would be fine by me and should lay this thread to rest.. I would also like to hear if there is nothing they will be doing about it. Since their first acknowledgment about this issue was lacking anything further in what they plan to do about it for those that already received theirs.
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